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 Tournament Betting Structure..., ezcheese, 19. Aug 2003 11:07 | ||
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| Hey guys- My friend is trying to organize a NLHE tourney with a bunch of us (none of the "friends" of my earlier post are invited) and I want to make sure I have everything straight... There are antes of some kind right?? Is it just at the final table? What are the normal antes in comparison to blinds? Any other differences I should know about a tournament compared to a ring game which I usually play? | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Risky Business, 19. Aug 2003 11:19 | ||
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| HOW MANY PLAYERS? This is huge. I'll assume less than 30 with my response. To make things as simple as possible, and so things go as smoothly as possible, don't do antes, and keep the blinds small for the first few hours. The last tourney I threw (albeit LIMIT), didn't last long enough in 'their' opinion. Since it's No Limit, you'll lose players "in time". You should be more concerned with your re-buy structure, which I'll assume doesn't exceed the first hour. If you just HAVE to have antes to make your tournament feel more legit, have them in the final 4 rounds of a 12 round tournament. I can't imagine it going more than 8 rounds after re-buys at 20-30mins/round. Did that help at all? | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., ezcheese, 19. Aug 2003 13:00 | ||
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| yes that does help, but at the risk of sounding stuipd... could you go into more detail about, well... everything?? Such as the rebuy's, round-structure, etc... I'm sorry to inconvenience you but I've never been in or hosted a tourney. | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Risky Business, 19. Aug 2003 13:33 | ||
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| If you will email me at " upf2004wsop@ev1.net " , I'll send you what I send my players. It's something I've spent way too much time on, so you can tinker with it as you see fit for your game. on 19. Aug 2003 13:00 ezcheese wrote: > yes that does help, but at the risk of sounding stuipd... could you go into more detail > about, well... everything?? Such as the rebuy's, round-structure, etc... > > I'm sorry to inconvenience you but I've never been in or hosted a tourney. | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., JunkBuster, 19. Aug 2003 13:33 | ||
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| EZ, My friends and I have ran a few tournaments for friends. In fact we have friends that fly in to play. We have ran the tourneys in two ways. The first one was a two day game with a sleep break. Essentially this one started at $1 - $2 blinds, no antes and doubled in 1 hour levels. On level 5 we introduced antes at a value of 25% the small blind. Every 3 levels had 5 minute breaks; and every 5 levels had 15 minute breaks. This worked ok for a two day game. I assume that you are using tourney money. For this game we used double value buy in. The initial buy-in of $40 got you $80 in T-money and one additional buy in chip of the same value that has to be cashed by level 5 (or so). The one day tourney goes something like this. (Buyin $40 for $40, with one additional buy in option) Level 1 - 0:00 to 0:30 minutes: 0 ante $1-$2 Blinds Level 2 - 0:30 to 1:00: 0 ante $2-$4 Blinds Level 3 - 1:00 to 1:30: 0 ante $4-$8 blinds Level 4 - 1:30 to 2:00: $2 ante $8 - $16 Level 5 - 2:00 to 2:30: $4 ante $15 - $30 Level 6 - 2:30 to 3:00: $6 ante $30 - $60 These are probably not the best way, but it is an idea for you. When using tourney money you can rate the blinds anywhere you want. Ie. Buy in of $40 can equal T$400 etc. | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., ezcheese, 19. Aug 2003 13:39 | ||
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| THANKS!! That really helps... How exactly does the re-buy work? You just buy-in as if you were just starting off? | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., JunkBuster, 19. Aug 2003 14:11 | ||
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| Eveyrone buys the initial buy in. Then at any point within 1-5 levels you can redeem your rebuy chip along with another $40 for more Tmoney. This is regardless of the amount you have; which is to say if you have a lot of chips or no chips you can still redeem your rebuy chip. If you go bust you have to immediately rebuy or get out of the game. After level 5 the unused rebuy chips are collected and the prizes are tabulated. Probably a prize for 1st to 5th place. I think that we did something like this. 1st = 45% 2nd = 20% 3rd = 15% 4th = 10% 5th = 5% House rake = 5% Hope this helps on 19. Aug 2003 13:39 ezcheese wrote: > THANKS!! That really helps... > > How exactly does the re-buy work? You just buy-in as if you were just starting off? | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., JunkBuster, 19. Aug 2003 14:13 | ||
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| By the way, in a home tourney, if you dont introduce the antes at some point, the game tends to go forever. | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Risky Business, 19. Aug 2003 14:20 | ||
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| A comment and a solution..... 1. Not in NO LIMIT, which he said his game was. 2. Not if you increase the blinds after giving everyone a fair shot to make their moves (small blinds in round 1-6, then get aggressive in followind rounds) If it lasts, it lasts. Realistically, nobody ever has to bet.........but we know better. The quicker you get the re-buys over with, the quicker the No Limit tournament will finish. on 19. Aug 2003 14:13 JunkBuster wrote: > By the way, in a home tourney, if you dont introduce the antes at some point, the game tends to go > forever. | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Risky Business, 19. Aug 2003 14:23 | ||
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| ...........and if you're playing.........taking a rake is bad form, in my opinion, though i'd love to do it. on 19. Aug 2003 14:11 JunkBuster wrote: > Eveyrone buys the initial buy in. Then at any point within 1-5 levels you can redeem your rebuy > chip along with another $40 for more Tmoney. This is regardless of the amount you have; which > is to say if you have a lot of chips or no chips you can still redeem your rebuy chip. If you > go bust you have to immediately rebuy or get out of the game. After level 5 the unused rebuy > chips are collected and the prizes are tabulated. Probably a prize for 1st to 5th place. > > I think that we did something like this. > > 1st = 45% > 2nd = 20% > 3rd = 15% > 4th = 10% > 5th = 5% > House rake = 5% > > > Hope this helps > > > on 19. Aug 2003 13:39 ezcheese wrote: > > THANKS!! That really helps... > > > > How exactly does the re-buy work? You just buy-in as if you were just starting off? | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., JunkBuster, 19. Aug 2003 14:26 | ||
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| Agreed... Unless you are supplying the house along with Booze etc. Also, it might be nasty to allow smoking, but it is an easy tell being able to actually see their breath! | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Risky Business, 19. Aug 2003 15:03 | ||
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| Agreed..........I've made that mistake too. $300 down the drain before the night starts. I'd rather win it from my friends than buy their crap for them. Plus, it sounds like Ezcheese steals enough money from his friends without taking a rake. Just kidding buddy. on 19. Aug 2003 14:26 JunkBuster wrote: > Agreed... Unless you are supplying the house along with Booze etc. > > Also, it might be nasty to allow smoking, but it is an easy tell being able to actually see their > breath! | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., ezcheese, 19. Aug 2003 21:46 | ||
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| OUCH! ASS!! LOL low blow... | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Risky Business, 19. Aug 2003 14:18 | ||
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| You'll end up paying at least 3 places, and depending on the number of players, you'll probably pay 1 for every 5. I find that going too far dilutes the accomplishment. You can also sucker everyone into re-buying by making your buy-in $500 worth of chips, while the re-buy gets you $750 or $1000 worth of chips. Don't laugh, it happens everywhere, and really helps the pot grow. | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Eaglesfan1, 19. Aug 2003 19:29 | ||
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| I remember seeing a few posts on payout structure here a long time ago, so you could probably go into the archives and read them, that would help with the payout structure. But, a comment for the anti's, From what i've seen anti's are mostly about 1/10th of big blind to start, don't make the anti's be something like $3.75 cuz then its a pain in the ass for the players to dig out 3.75 every hand. You want it to be an even 4$ or 5$, so its nice and easy for the players. Someone just posted the blinds structure for the WSOP somewhere on this forum. You could look at that to get an idea too. | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., ezcheese, 19. Aug 2003 21:48 | ||
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| Ive never been to a tourney... would you say that EVERYONE rebuys? Even if they are a large stack?? Especially since you're saying that the rebuy is bigger than the original? | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Eaglesfan1, 20. Aug 2003 00:21 | ||
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| Re-buy is only when you run out of chips, so if you run out, you can re-buy chips and play again instead of being out of the tournament. You could also do add-ons after re-buys end. So people still WITH chips could add like 600 chips to there stack for 5$ or something (Made the chips and price totally up, don't know the prices at all). I imagine a lot of people would do this, even the large stacks. But, there should probably be only 1 add-on maximum, maybe 2, because you don't want the tournament to be decided on how much $$$ a person has, you should limit the re-buys also to 1 or 2. Oh yeah and you should end re-buys at a certain point too, say an hour in or something. | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Risky Business, 20. Aug 2003 07:38 | ||
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| I don't feel Eaglesfan's comments as accurate. Sorry. I suppose I have to say it this way.... "In one form of tournament", you can "purchase additional chips" at any time during the first hour of play, IF AND ONLY IF your stack is below a certain level, usually the buy-in level. You don't have to wait until you're out of chips, but I digress... You can start with one amount, and a "re-buy coupon" in your lap. At any time during the first hour when you're below your initial buy-in amount of chips, you may use it.....including after blinding and folding the first hand in a no-limit tourney to make sure you can double up with the nuts!!! OK, so some people won't re-buy, but if you're the chip leader at 4,000 and you're awarded 1,000 in chips for the re-buy.......why would you let everyone catch up to you by buying another 1,000 in chips? The only time I think you shouldn't is if you've given up and just want to save the dough and play out your stack for the fun of it. | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., ezcheese, 20. Aug 2003 09:14 | ||
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| so if you start winning from the beginning you will never be able to re-buy? | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Risky Business, 20. Aug 2003 11:16 | ||
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| If the only people that are re-buying are below the starting point, then yes......but keep reading. I only use the term re-buy, so don't lose the point of what I'm saying. In most cases, there are 2 scenarios working in concert.... 1. if you're below the buy-in, you may re-buy at any time. 2. at the end of a time limit, or # of rounds, EVERYBODY, regardless of chip count, has the option for a final re-buy. (this begins the discussion of whether or not a chip leader would want to re-buy........and the conversation circle continues) on 20. Aug 2003 09:14 ezcheese wrote: > so if you start winning from the beginning you will never be able to re-buy? | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., ezcheese, 20. Aug 2003 11:53 | ||
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| OH! ok, I was thinking that re-buy meant low chips while add-on meant you could buy w/ anything... so when you said re-buy i didn't realize there was at least some opportunity for everyone to buy more.... should the re-buy be more chips than the initial buy in?? I'm thinking of doing a $25 buy-in for $250 in chips and a $5 rebuy for $200... opinion? | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., Risky Business, 20. Aug 2003 12:57 | ||
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| The reason to make the re-buys worth more than the initial buy-in is to make it nearly imperative for everyone to do it. Most casinos would switch your real money values. Most places charge a small fee to sit down, and build the pot with re-buys, i.e. charge $5 for the initial buy-in, and $25 for the re-buys. If someone is fortunate to only pay $5, so be it. However, most likely, you'll get a minimum of $30 per player. Split the difference if you feel they'll make a stink about it. If you're stuck on handing out $450 worth of chips per player, charge $20 for $200, and a $15 re-buy for $250 in chips, making it a bargain for everyone to buy the re-buy!! | ||
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| Re: Tournament Betting Structure..., JunkBuster, 21. Aug 2003 17:56 | ||
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| Cheese, You should be able to adjust this to fit your needs. The tourney that I am now regularly playing is at a big Casino in North Cali. Essentially its like this. $40 Initial Buy in = $1000 $40 Re-Buy = $1500 Similar to what RiskyB said. If you run out of chips within the first 4-5 levels, you may rebuy; HOWEVER, at the end of that set of levels, anyone with a ReBuy voucher may purchase the rebuy. Make sense? In fact at the game yesterday 3 players at my first table had large stacks, one of these players happened to be me. I know most of the guys here and asked a couple of them if they typically rebuy, even with such large stacks. They both agreed yes. 1. It makes it fair; everyone has purchased the same amount of chips. 2. In No Limit, you always always always want to have a big stack for when the monster flops. I see alot of people pulling silly All-Ins early in the game. The safety net of that ReBuy helps them do this. Early in the tourney, just sit back and let them have at it, while you wait for your good hand. people are routinely going all-in with hands such as K6o, which is not the brightest of ideas early in a tourney. Once they lose there stack, they rebuy and play much tighter. You on the other hand are still sitting pretty and have possibly won a few pots in the mean time. Come Level 5, purchase your rebuy. Even if you have won fairly often before hand, it probably is no more than 200% of what the rebuy is, which is to say that the rebuy might increase your stack by around 33%. The increase in Re-Buy money is only to get more money in the pot for the prizes. It does not make sense to increase the rebuy any more than the above example (50%); furthermore it is not fair to players that get a big stack early in the game and feel like they dont need to rebuy (which hardly ever happens on the tourney I play). Good luck | ||
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