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 Underestimating, enthejungle, 18. Aug 2003 21:03 | ||
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| Do people underestimate a young player in live rooms? I am only 21 not the best in the world, but I have done my fair share of reading and studying on the game and I feel that because I am the kid people don't respect the way I play. I have a local casino that is crap, but while playing 5/10 the most I have lost while going is $200 and have won $600. This is with about 10-12 visits to the card room. I know they remember me because the majority of the people I see there are regulars, but they think I am just some punk kid with money. Should I change my play during a session willing to lose money so I can show crap cards, the come back for what is mine, or do I just keep on with my game? | ||
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| Re: Underestimating, 4 POKER, 18. Aug 2003 21:16 | ||
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| on 18. Aug 2003 21:03 enthejungle wrote: > Do people underestimate a young player in live rooms? I am only 21 not the best > in the world, but I have done my fair share of reading and studying on the game > and I feel that because I am the kid people don't respect the way I play. I have > a local casino that is crap, but while playing 5/10 the most I have lost while > going is $200 and have won $600. This is with about 10-12 visits to the card > room. I know they remember me because the majority of the people I see there are > regulars, but they think I am just some punk kid with money. Should I change my > play during a session willing to lose money so I can show crap cards, the come > back for what is mine, or do I just keep on with my game? You're winning in the game you say? Hell no.....don't change a thing. Any player who thinks you're a bad player just because you're young, has obviously stopped learning themselves. You can make alot of extra bets that way too....keep that mind, because they also might resent the fact that you are indeed a good player at such a young age, and will tend to hang around in the pots longer just to try and beat you....ya know.... "show you a thing or two". Punish them all!...........just keep improving your own game as well. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Underestimating, Nathaniel Brous, 19. Aug 2003 02:05 | ||
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| Along with good advice, 4 POKER gave the sunny version. I will take it upon myself to add the cloudy one. I do this because I wish someone had for me when I was twenty one. Comments within. on 18. Aug 2003 21:03 enthejungle wrote: > Do people underestimate a young player in live rooms? < Some do, some don't. Myself...I pay particular attention to the younger players play. In general, they are apt to have more leaks in their game (compared to a seasoned player). They also tend to repeat the same mistakes many times in a session. There are of course, a lot of older players who never change their poor play...but that is not what this post is about. >I am only 21 not the best in the world, but I have done my fair share of reading and studying on the game< If you are new to the game, I guarantee you will look back at your play in five years and laugh at yourself. Remember to never get complacent. The best players are always learning. >and I feel that because I am the kid people don't respect the way I play.< Poker has little room for emotion (or perhaps I am reading you wrong). Over time...a good player will earn respect from all but the most idiotic of opponents. Thinking that your opponents should "respect" the way you play...is starting you down the wrong path. There are a great deal of angry bitter players out there who mistakenly think that poker should be taken personally. >I have a local casino that is crap, but while playing 5/10 the most I have lost while going is $200 and have won $600. This is with about 10-12 visits to the card room. < I am not exactly sure how to read this. Are you up $600 over 12 sessions? Was $600 your biggest win? Either way, I urge you not to put much stock in short term results. With those parameters you set above, you could be a $1600 loser or a $6400 winner, or anywhere in between. Regardless...twelve visits won't necessarily tell you anything concrete. >I know they remember me because the majority of the people I see there are regulars, but they think I am just some punk kid with money.< Maybe they do...the point is "Don't take it personally." Don't let what someone "MIGHT" think negatively affect your game. As 4-POKER pointed out, if they want to give you extra money because they think that you play poorly, then more power to you. >Should I change my play during a session willing to lose money so I can show crap cards, the come back for what is mine, or do I just keep on with my game?< Err....NO. Give no quarter, for none shall be given to you. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: Underestimating, WilliamS, 19. Aug 2003 06:58 | ||
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| Nathaniel, That is one of the best posts I've read here. I'm fairly young myself, 28. I've been playing for a few years now and I would love to have the player I was 4 years ago at the table with me now. I'm also sure that in 5 more years I, hopefully anyway, will be much better than I am today. At the beginning I was a lot like enthejungle because I didn't get to play a lot. The casino I played at was 2 hours away and my schedule didn't allow much time for the trip. Short term results were all I had to judge myself on; giving me LOTS of false impressions. Due to some short term results I overvalued some cards and had a total lack of regard for some basic things like position. Now, I get to play a lot more; probably 15-25 hours a week and I have seen a great improvement in my overall play. I don't mean to dwell on my results; the point of my post is to say I totally agree with you (Nathaniel) because I am shortly removed from the situation you were addressing and I think your assessment was right on the money. Will | ||
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| Re: Underestimating, trwebb26, 19. Aug 2003 05:46 | ||
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| Just a few names: Phil Ivey Layne Flack You underestimate these 2 youngsters at the table - they'll send you home to momma with nothng but a frown. | ||
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| Re: Underestimating, Guru, 19. Aug 2003 17:17 | ||
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| Not to say that a young person necessarily can't play well, but how many of us, on reflection, realize that we weren't even close to being as smart, mature, or good as we thought we were when we were 21. Also, Phil Ivey is 26 and LayneFlack is in his thirties. I don't think that's the same as 21 years old. | ||
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| Re: Underestimating, Jav, 19. Aug 2003 17:42 | ||
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| I know I thought I was good when I was 21, but I wasn't. It's easy to shrug off a losing session to bad luck. But that doesn't mean that other people can't be great players at 21, everyone matures at a different rate. I also didn't have a lot of experience at that age, but many people have already been playing for years when they reach 21. But then again I'm 31 now, and I think I'm more than twice the player I was even a year ago. And I still have a lot to learn. I think when you really can become a good player is when you realize that to be good you're going to have to continue learning and improving for as long as you keep playing. And by the way, I can attribute much of improvement to the discussions on this forum. So thanks everyone! | ||
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