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 need good tournament book/advice for large field tourney., jdsalinger, 18. Aug 2003 10:42 | ||
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| now in the 1 or 2 table NL tourneys the blinds are small enough so that a really tight player like myself can sit around let other players knock themselves out and then make my moves when the blinds and antes get large relative to the stacks. Well in the last 4 large tourneys I've played I've finished in the money 3 of the 4 times. But I finish around the 25th place in each of them (200+15 twice and last 2 big tournies at stars). I show a small profit that I could have easily made in a sitngo or a ring game but I want to make a big score and finish 1st or 2nd. In these tournies I'm usually a bit above average when the field is down to the last 1/3. It isn't chips to make some moves or lean on someone. Anyone want to give me some tips or book recs. | ||
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| Re: need good tournament book/advice for large field tourney., Roy Cooke, 18. Aug 2003 13:09 | ||
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| Get David Sklansky's book on tournaments! Roy Cooke on 18. Aug 2003 10:42 jdsalinger wrote: > now in the 1 or 2 table NL tourneys the blinds are small enough so that a really > tight player like myself can sit around let other players knock themselves out > and then make my moves when the blinds and antes get large relative to the > stacks. Well in the last 4 large tourneys I've played I've finished in the > money 3 of the 4 times. But I finish around the 25th place in each of them > (200+15 twice and last 2 big tournies at stars). I show a small profit that I > could have easily made in a sitngo or a ring game but I want to make a big score > and finish 1st or 2nd. In these tournies I'm usually a bit above average when > the field is down to the last 1/3. It isn't chips to make some moves or lean on > someone. Anyone want to give me some tips or book recs. | ||
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| Re: need good tournament book/advice for large field tourney., mkpoker, 18. Aug 2003 15:58 | ||
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| on 18. Aug 2003 13:09 Roy Cooke wrote: > Get David Sklansky's book on tournaments! > > Roy Cooke > For the first time, I'm not sure I agree with Roy. I'd posit that TJ Cloutier's NL Tourney classic--and to a lesser extent, Sklansky's book--don't apply especially well to fast-paced on-line tournaments. I'd welcome other's opinions...But here are my quick thoughts on how on-line tourneys differ from B&M tourneys, and why the expert advice might be wrong--especially in the early stages. 1. Tables collapse more quickly. At multi-table online tourneys, players drop like flies in the earlygoing. And as a result, new players are added to your table constantly, and even worse, it's quite possible you'll be pulled away from your table before you have a decent sense of the people you're playing with. Hence, many of the variables described in the "classic" books--which depend upon table texture and reads on players--are more difficult to apply. 2. Bluffs don't work as well on-line, especially early and especially in low dollar tourneys. In a nutshell, Sklansky's thesis is to go after small pots aggressively and back off when someone shows real interest. But as we've all discussed ad nauseam, on-line players have much lower calling (and raising) standards. Slanksy advocates a lot of blind stealing and raising with moderate hands. I think that's trouble online. Too much risk of being called and drawn-out. In my view, better to make a stand with a pretty good hand and try to collect some chips. 3. The pace is quicker. Both TJ and Sklansky advise patience, patience, patience. Obviously, that's important on and off-line. But if you're as patient as they advocate, I think you'll wind up with such a short stack after a few hours that you'll be forced to change your strategy. **Opponents in on-line tourneys are more likely to make mistakes early. You can't be so patient that you let them get away with it.** 4. Emotionally, players have less investment in an online tourney. If you go through all the trouble of driving to your local casino (or making a special trip to Vegas), you don't want to go home early! So you play tight--especially early. Online, tourneys aren't as big a deal (except the big ones, of course). If you lose, you watch some TV or join the tourney starting 10 minutes from now. So you play loose. And you're a lot less likely to let some jerk steal your blinds! So how do you adapt? Because of all these factors, I think there's a higher luck factor in on-line than B&M tourneys. You've just gotta live with that, make a few stands earlier and hope for the best. For example, I'd call an all-in bet early with KK (a move the pros hate) because I'm guessing my opponents could have AK, QQ, JJ or worse. It's not likely someone would push all-in pre-flop with JJ at the WSOP, but I see it all the time on-line. Also, I wouldn't go after small pots aggressively with moderate hands, as Sklansky advocates. Online, I think you're likely to be called or raised often enough that this becomes a -EV play. So, in response to JD's original question, I would buy Sklansky's book, but I'd keep these differences in mind. In my view, a "great" book for online tourneys has been written yet. Hey Roy, Maybe you should write it! --matt | ||
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| Re: need good tournament book/advice for large field tourney., LJH, 18. Aug 2003 19:45 | ||
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| JD, GET PHIL HELLMUTH'S NEW BOOK, AND SEE IF THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU SOME GOOD POINTERS. LJH | ||
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