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 No limit AA, AcesUp5, 18. Aug 2003 02:22 | ||
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| Heres the hand, im on the button with AA in single table tourney. blinds 15- 30 4 callers and i raise to 90. Two people call and the flop comes Q 9 2 with two clubs. first player checks, other player bets 90 and i go all in for 900. What do you think of this play. Im pretty sure i have the best hand, but do i play it way to aggressive. Im not a big fan of sucking out for more money. The pot was big enough for me and I wanted to win it right there. Do you think i should just call there and hope to make more and let my opp. draw out here. NOt sure if this is a profitable play. Maybe i could be making more.. Let me know what you guys think.. Josh | ||
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| Re: No limit AA, Paul Stine, 18. Aug 2003 05:45 | ||
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| on 18. Aug 2003 02:22 AcesUp5 wrote: > Heres the hand, im on the button with AA in single table tourney. blinds 15- 30 > 4 callers and i raise to 90. First, your raise was, in my opinion, too small. There is between 105 and 135 (depending on how you characterize the blinds in your description of callers) in the pot before you act. A pot size raise would make it between 165 and 195 to go. > Two people call and the flop comes Q 9 2 with > two clubs. first player checks, other player bets 90 and i go all in for 900. You are a dog to a set or two pair, you have a single pair beaten. Flushes and straights are looking for at least 2:1 odds to call (ignoring the implied cost of missing and having to call another bet to continue.) The problem is that if you are already beaten you stand a good chance of losing all the chips you need to continue playing in this tourney. > What do you think of this play. Im pretty sure i have the best hand, but do i > play it way to aggressive. Im not a big fan of sucking out for more money. A pot size bet is going to drop anyone that will drop to an all-in bet here and should leave you with about 500 (enough to play more hands if you decide to fold.) An all-in move here forces your opponent to only make one (hopefully bad) decision. The more decisions you force your opponent to make, the more chance he will make a bad one. Bad decisions by our opponents is how we make the majority of our money in poker. > The > pot was big enough for me and I wanted to win it right there. Do you think i > should just call there and hope to make more and let my opp. draw out here. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big big fan of winning the pot right there. I'm just not sure if I want to risk all my chips in the case that I have the underdog hand. You don't need to use dynamite where a shovel will suffice. > NOt > sure if this is a profitable play. Maybe i could be making more.. Let me know > what you guys think.. > > Josh Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: No limit AA, McMonkey, 18. Aug 2003 07:50 | ||
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| I couldn't agree with Paul more. From where the blinds were at I'd guess it was still very early in the tournament. The name of the game is survival and risking all of your chips this early without having the nuts is not, IMO, a good move. If you wanted to go all-in on this hand you should've done it pre-flop. In these single table SnG's people tend to be very aggressive when they think they have a hand, so there's really little to no difference between a pot sized bet and an all-in. If they're gonna fold they're most likely gonna fold to either and if they're gonna call they're gonna call anything. By going pot-sized you get to see another card and have the opportunity to get out if you find that you're beat, and like Paul said, you make him make another decision. | ||
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| Re: No limit AA, Mark, 18. Aug 2003 09:31 | ||
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| on 18. Aug 2003 02:22 AcesUp5 wrote: > Heres the hand, im on the button with AA in single table tourney. blinds 15- 30 > 4 callers and i raise to 90. I agree with Paul here, your raise should have been more. Two people call and the flop comes Q 9 2 with > two clubs. first player checks, other player bets 90 and i go all in for 900. > What do you think of this play. Im pretty sure i have the best hand, but do i > play it way to aggressive. I would also make a big bet here looking to win the pot, unless my opponent would bet away alot of his stack with a really weak hand. From the betting your opponent probably doesn't have much more than top pair, but a bottom set is not out of the question ( a Q9 suited may be possible for some opponents). Because of the sizes of the pot and your stack, there is not too much difference between a pot size bet and an all-in bet. There would be very few, if any, hands that an opponent would call your pot size bet with that he would fold to your all-in bet. So the all-in raise only gets more of your money in the pot. However, if you only make a pot size bet you still have the option to fold to a reraise. (But if you feel that you would need to call that reraise, you may as well push all-in from the start.) >Im not a big fan of sucking out for more money. The > pot was big enough for me and I wanted to win it right there. Do you think i > should just call there and hope to make more and let my opp. draw out here. NO, you want to win the pot there. There is enough money in the pot already and no reason to accept more risk. NOt > sure if this is a profitable play. Maybe i could be making more.. Let me know > what you guys think.. This may be profitable in ring games, but when you're trying to win a tourny you want to minimize your risk. As soon as the pot becomes worth while to win ( this pot was almost half your stack size on the flop) I am looking to take it down. Although you may have been able to win more by slowplaying, you may also have lost your whole stack to a 2 outer. Mark > > Josh | ||
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| Re: No limit AA, flintsword, 20. Aug 2003 15:12 | ||
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| Ok, you have been raked over the coals enough about your bet size. If you want people to suspect strongly you have the top hands, you have to bet them like top hands. Keep in mind that at lower limits tournaments, 50% of the players are "poker squirrels" that will play anything and everything, which is a recipe for cracked aces. Once those players have eliminated themselves, you will find it more profitable to enforce your AA holdings. This is just practical play. I recently had AA in MP early in a $20 single table satellite on Paradise. The three players (UTG, UTG+1, & UTG+2) before me limped in. I had no notes on these guys so they could have anything, I decided to tag along for the ride. Shudder, ... I called. I am a big fan of T.J. Cloutier's "If you limp with aces, you won't go broke with aces" kind of idea, especially in the early stages of any tournament. The flop came in K Q 9 with two hearts and I did not hold the ace of hearts, ... an early limper raised a lot and I decided to become a spectator. I folded. There was a KQ limper. Timid? Yes. Practical in the early stages of the tournament? I think so. I think the main message I want to give you is that there are many ways to play a hand and "when" in the tournament is a factor that is important. The object of the game is to get into the money, not always win with AA. flintsword | ||
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