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 how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, spawgan, 16. Aug 2003 10:37 | ||
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| I had a problem the last two times I went to the B&M. I have been playing fairly tight and aggressive, usually only using premium hands. For instance, last night, it got to the point I won so many pots I was in, and the few I lost, I lost by bad beats, that whenever I bet, everyone folded. This would not have been so bad except every hand I was in, after pre-flop betting, everyone would check to see if I bet. When I was in late position, this was fine b/c 4 or 5 players would limp in and I would bet and everyone would fold and I would have the bets. However, I would like to maximize my profit. Everyone seemed to know, and would readily say, If I stayed in, I must have the goods. While this all and good, when I have the hands, what do I do to get some people to play the hand with me? | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, Guru, 16. Aug 2003 11:13 | ||
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| The best way to get other players to stay in with you in bets is to advertise early. The point is to get caught making a stupid move. In your case, you can do it one of two ways. One way is to come in with marginal or worse cards and call or bet all the way to the river under any circumstances. Say come in with 9-6s or low pair and keep in the pot no matter how much you miss the flop. At the end show everyone what you have like it's a big joke or your proud of your silly play. It plants a seed in the opponents mind that you might come in with anything. Once you've shown them that you might have anything, you go back to your normal, solid play and they'll be calling you down more wondering if this is the time you had garbage. It's kind of an advanced play though because it forces you to work out of a hole and sometimes people find themselves playing looser themselves after such a move. It's absolutely necessary that you go right back to your normal game. Also, you want to use looser cards than you would normally play for this move, but not something like 2-7 offsuit because it may be obvious to experienced players what you're trying to do. 10-8 suited may be a little more believable. Another variation that might work for you is to play your same solid starting requirements, but bluff a lot more often. At first you'll win a few pots right out that way, but once you're caught a couple of times, others will play a little looser against you and then you go right back to playing your normal game without as much bluffing. Hope this helps. | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, DJpoker, 16. Aug 2003 14:24 | ||
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| Hey spawgan, There are two times when it is appropriate to play mid-range hands. Whenever you are in the BB or on the button, I usually play almost anything when I first sit down (unless it is 3 or 4 bet before it gets to me). This gives the illusion that you are willing to play less than premium hands. Another thing that seems to really work is when you call with third pair every once in awhile. For example, you have K-7 suited and the flop comes Q-9-7. You call or even bet out and people will think you are really a gambler when all you are truly doing is setting them up for later in the session. I realize this is a total -EV play but it loosens your image and you may even catch. Again, I am not saying to always play this way. I just do it occasionally to mix it up and not appear so tight. Actually, I want people to always be wondering if I know what the hell I'm doing. Good luck, DJpoker | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, Swagman, 16. Aug 2003 18:29 | ||
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| Not comparing you to a rock because I dont know you. But I will not pay off a rock, and will tell them as much. Generally not much of a worry because they are not in many hands to begin with, but I'll dump all but the stone cold nutz on the flop and tell them I'm not gonna play with you to prove you might have a pulse. Something to consider. It may be applicable to lightenup a little if u plan on staying at the table for any length of time, then go back to more solid game, because players will not pay you. Most cases I wouldn't even play if I have a winning hand, because I'm hoping some one will replace the gnat rock-hard, and make the game a real game. | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, DJpoker, 17. Aug 2003 02:51 | ||
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| Swag, I am far from a rock. I simply was saying that if you asked a bunch of people, I think there would be contrasting opinions on how I play. I was just giving some suggestions on how to mix it up. For the most part, it seems like many posters on here grind for long sesions and get minimal return (ie 8-10 hour sessions for $100-$150). I was just trying to cite some ways to not appear so tight and lose the action that you want when you do get goos starting hands. Anyway, it is late or early depending on your perception and I just finished an 8 hour session so I hope I don't sound like a jerk. Good luck out there, DJpoker PS (my session finished +521) Go rock go LMAO | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, Swagman, 17. Aug 2003 04:39 | ||
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| Well I think there were several valid suggestions. mainly advertising early during the session. I.E. calling someone down with K,4 when K hits on the flop. I really didn't mean to imply you were a rock. I was merely bringing the point, which I'm sure you are aware, that if people percieve your image as being rockish they will not pay you. Which is one of the complaints you had mentioned. Really want it sounded to me like was that you were winning more hands then is to be expected, and that placed a warning sign with the rest of the players, that you were hot. There really is nothing to do about that other then to find another table, because if your running hot, people are gonna notice that and respect any hands that you are in. | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, 4 POKER, 17. Aug 2003 07:11 | ||
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| Try a raise with 8-7 suited UTG.....that oughta do it! Or, you can also to chose to bluff bet more on the flop because they "think" that you always hold the goods. Don't be afarid to mix it up a little bit....just know when to fold by not going overboard with your hand. You don't want them to know where you're at, and as long as you can make sound-minded decisions post-flop as well.....they'll be playing against you more when you tighten up again and really do hold a big hand. 4P- | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, DJpoker, 17. Aug 2003 13:13 | ||
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| Hey 4Poker, Were you at my table last night? I capped pre-flop with 9-8 hearts and flopped a four flush and open ended straight. Ended up hitting the nut straight on the river and making a nice pull. DJpoker | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, 4 POKER, 17. Aug 2003 17:42 | ||
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| on 17. Aug 2003 13:13 DJpoker wrote: > Hey 4Poker, > Were you at my table last night? I capped pre-flop with 9-8 hearts and flopped a four > flush and open ended straight. Ended up hitting the nut straight on the river and making > a nice pull. DJpoker Hey DJ, Well if you were playing at the Commerce last night, then maybe! But it seemed like "everyone" was raising with those types of cards up front, so who knows! LOL! Great game though.........really great! $$! 4P- | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, DJpoker, 17. Aug 2003 22:05 | ||
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| I was playing about 80 miles from Commerce. How long you gonna be in LA? I assume you are there because of all the tourneys and subsequent side action. I didn't know if our game was 4-8 or 8-16 with all the capping. Every pot seemed like 100-200 for about 2 hours straight. Great time. DJpoker | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, 4 POKER, 17. Aug 2003 22:45 | ||
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| on 17. Aug 2003 22:05 DJpoker wrote: > I was playing about 80 miles from Commerce. How long you gonna be in LA? I assume you are there > because of all the tourneys and subsequent side action. I didn't know if our game was 4-8 or 8-16 > with all the capping. Every pot seemed like 100-200 for about 2 hours straight. Great time. > DJpoker I'll be in L.A. for about a week or two and than I'm finally heading back to NJ. I cheked out The Bike a couple of times to see how good the side action was (being there's a tournament there)......but there's so many great hold-em games at the Commerce so I chose to play there instead. I really like the 2-way game; stud 8 and Omaha 8 at The Bike , (and it's usually a great game) but I've played so much Omaha in Vegas this trip that I was looking foward to playing some hold-em. The Commerce also has the limits in which I prefer to play at as well. So I take it you live in Cali? Man.....you've got it made DJ......the best poker anywhere IMO, and a beautiful state as well. Take care, and good luck. 4P- | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, Roy Cooke, 17. Aug 2003 08:35 | ||
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| Hi Spawgan First I think you need to go to a place in which they do not know you. Then you need to make deception plays early in the session.....Raise it up with he 53 suited in middle position.....You might try the faking drunk trick, although it will not get by many people.........I find if you mix your play up a little they will remember the unusual plays.....Show them the unusual plays in a playfull manner...Make them think you are a little nuts (You may even be :-)...Interact with people.....Don't be a silent log! I hope this helps! Roy Cooke on 16. Aug 2003 10:37 spawgan wrote: > I had a problem the last two times I went to the B&M. I have been playing fairly > tight and aggressive, usually only using premium hands. For instance, last > night, it got to the point I won so many pots I was in, and the few I lost, I > lost by bad beats, that whenever I bet, everyone folded. This would not have > been so bad except every hand I was in, after pre-flop betting, everyone would > check to see if I bet. When I was in late position, this was fine b/c 4 or 5 > players would limp in and I would bet and everyone would fold and I would have > the bets. > > However, I would like to maximize my profit. Everyone seemed to know, and would > readily say, If I stayed in, I must have the goods. > > While this all and good, when I have the hands, what do I do to get some people > to play the hand with me? | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, foraces, 17. Aug 2003 11:25 | ||
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| I have a friend who before he sits down, goes to the waitress and tells her that every time he order a beer, to bring him a non-alcoholic beer and gives her a tip right there. Players play him like a tourist because he has 2-3 'beers' an hour | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, Radman, 17. Aug 2003 17:52 | ||
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| Wow, I love that "fake" beer ploy! Of course if she forgets/or doesn't care about the bribe you'll be looped and playing like a tard in a couple hours (: | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, Guru, 18. Aug 2003 10:50 | ||
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| Doesn't anyone notice the label saying O'Doul's or whatever non-alchoholic beer? | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, guinnessman, 18. Aug 2003 11:56 | ||
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| The Taj in AC will serve you o'douls in plastic cups. They will actually do this without asking you if they think you have had too much. I had a player that could barely talk last time I was there, and I asked the manager about him. He said he had been serving him O'Douls for the past 3 hours.... Guinnessman | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, noiseboy, 19. Aug 2003 12:57 | ||
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| If you have a lot of callers on every hand, start jamming the pot with your decent drawing hands. In essense, you are making a good play maximizing your profits, but then the players don't know if you are on a made hand or a drawing hand when you are in there betting or raising. That seed of doubt will get you paid off more. Also, if there are a lot of players in, when you are in late position, go ahead and raise with small pairs, you will often get a free look at a turn card and an extra chance to hit a set. Also, when you hit a small set on the flop, it makes it harder to read. Basically, use your cards to randomize your play. | ||
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| Re: how do you give the illusion you are looser than you are?, noiseboy, 19. Aug 2003 13:01 | ||
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| One more thing, if people TELL you, "You're a rock, I'm not gonna call you anymore" this gives you a HUGE advantage. Now you can steal pots and successfully bluff more frequently. When you finally get caught, it's still a bonus, because then you can play solid again, and you'll get action on your good hands. | ||
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