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 Online Poker, paulr1076, 13. Aug 2003 23:00 | ||
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| I've been playing poker for a couple of years now. (Not the most experienced) But, I am almost convienced that with the bad beats on the river in online games I cannot win! I love playing in tournaments in casinos. For some reason I've been playing on PP nothing wrong with there site it just dosen't seem totally random to me. I've read alot of books and are pretty knowlegable , but it just seems like something is not right. Is it just me maybe not the strong player I thought I was???? Is it easy for you guys ??? Or do you win 3 SnGos and then don't get a hand to play in the next 6????? Please I would love to hear feedback on this issue | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, BEE JAY, 14. Aug 2003 04:27 | ||
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| paulr1076 - I sympathize with you. I just started playing online in Jan of this year. Have been doing very well at UB under a different name. I recently opened up a $75 account at PP and received a $74 bonus - $149 to begin play. In two days it was gone playing 3/6, 2/4 and 1/2 hold em. I know these aren't limits where a player can exercise any amount of control, but these are limits I had early success with at UB. The run of cards, bad beats, etc. was a little more that I could tolerate so I have not been back and never plan on returning. I've been playing Brick and Mortar casinos for many years and never had a losing year playing live games up to 10/20 and tournaments of $10 buy in to $200 buy ins. My success at PP was pretty disappointing - yet it could have been my poor play. But I still won't go back. Good luck to you. BEE JAY | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, coach, 14. Aug 2003 04:37 | ||
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| I've been winning ...and have been at tables where losers have been saying it's fixed....well I'm not related to anyone.(in the online business)..and if someone put my name into a computer to make me win...well...I'll take it!!..If I owned a site and an employee even breathed a breath about "fixing"..I would fire them....too much money made straight | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, dvond, 14. Aug 2003 08:08 | ||
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| How did you get the $74 bonus? I only got $12.50 fro $50 | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, Dr_Monkey, 14. Aug 2003 05:18 | ||
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| I think it depends on the site and your style of game. I have had a bad experience at UB. Was down $70. Fought and was up almost $20. Then lost again and again. Down $75. Got so disappointed I cashed out. Party on the other hand has been good to me. Up almost $200. I worried for a bit when I wasn't winning my SnGs. But a few solid games I am pretty happy. Paradise I have had good results. I do well in the $5 SnGs, but have a horrible time in $10. Haven't played there for a month. Going to stick with Party. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, shorn, 14. Aug 2003 06:46 | ||
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| Paul- I have had both experiences online in the past three years. The difference is that your swings will be much wider on both sides of the coin than in a B&M and in less time too because of the number of hands you get to play. But, I am convinced that other than needing a slightly larger bankroll to handle the higher SD, good solid play also eventually gets the money online. I play limits from 3/6 up to 15/30 on Paradise and Party and for my career am averaging around 1 BB per hour. However, in those numbers are many many big wins and big losses in short periods of time (up to 100 BB's both ways). Stick to your guns and over time if you are a good player, the money will come your way. Steve | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, LJH, 14. Aug 2003 07:25 | ||
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| SHORN, GOOD ADVICE, BUT I THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO WHE WALL. THOSE WHO WANT TO BELIEVE IN CROOKEDNESS WILL STILL GO ON WHINING. LJH | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, Stevolley, 14. Aug 2003 06:57 | ||
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| I agree with shorn. The 3/6 game at Party is a nasty creature. There has been some days I go down 300 in the first 3 hours and then end winning 400. That's a 700 swing. Remember with lots of plays it is correct to call preflop, and miss 80% of the time. Let the math catch up to you and your bankroll, it will. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, Kyle, 14. Aug 2003 14:59 | ||
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| I have been gnawing steadily for the last 4 weeks on the 3/6 tables at Party winning less than $30 each time. If I get out right away it is great. But the prevailing pattern is that if I don't get out after 20 minutes, the cards start running cold and I don't get a playable hand - for some times over an hour! But in the last 200 or so hands, I can't believe what I have been beat with. People are playing with hands that all the books I have read say should be folded. I then tightened up. I even have been beat while holding 3A's, pocket rockets, and A full of 10's full boat - all last night! I cashed out. I don't believe anything is crooked and that the random generator is really random. But I am now convinced I don't know how to play poker. But, with the consistance of not getting good hands lately, people winning with trash, and the infrequency of getting a good hand - well, I don't know. Any ideas? | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, chasepoker, 14. Aug 2003 17:08 | ||
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| For my first year of online poker i was down about 6 x $50 buy ins, i then slowly began getting better and better and began to break even, now after about 3 years of playing i am winning more, not every session of course. I just think it is a game too complex to master quickly i know ten times what i knew 2 years ago but i hope to learn ten times what i know now in 2 years time. Remember a journey of a million steps starts with a single footstep, i reckon i am a couple miles from the start right now. Yours full of cliches, Chasepoker :-) | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, Denver, 14. Aug 2003 18:23 | ||
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| Kyle, I always read about players totally miffed at how their "good" play can be cracked by obviously "bad" players. I think a player reaches a point where his style (preference towards certain hands in certain positions, propensity to raise certain players, ability to put certain players on hands) reaches a plateau. At that point (just like most things that require practice) it requires imminently more focus, determination and time dedicated to break past that plateau. My point being, many guys who reach that average to perhaps slightly above average level would prefer to sit with 8 or 9 "peers" and 1 or 2 fish so that they can settle in to their comfort zone. When presented with 9 fish they recognize mistakes readily but can't capitalize like they should because the game doesn't play "correctly" (which is a mental trap), with 9 above average players they also recognize good play readily and are intimidated by it. That player may end up grinding it out and swinging not too far from even in a 3/6, 4/8 or even 10/20 for a long, long time. Bottom line, when I hear about the constant suck-outs I think of my uncle who plays craps exclusively, and for decent stakes. The funny thing is, he is a guaranteed loser, and the longer he plays the more guaranteed it is, and yet, he only remembers the times he was up $5k, or got comped to fly back to Vegas courtesy of Bally's etc. Lastly, poker is not a rational game like Blackjack, or Craps, Roulette, and Hold 'Em is not even as rational as Stud. Any two cards can win, that's how its billed and that's any hold 'em player's fate. Some, like my uncle who can't stand Hold 'Em because of the community cards, would rather lose longer term and have a rational explanation than win long term without being able to necessarily quantify why you play the same two cards so many different ways. Next session, try to remember or jot down the pots you "earned" and why, what about the pots you took down, but conventional wisdom would suggest you didn't deserve. I bet that money would far exceed the amount spent on cracked monster. Online is just as random as B&M, but if it weren't I don't think 75% of the players would do anything differently. | ||
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| Online & B&M, DJpoker, 14. Aug 2003 22:02 | ||
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| Hey guys, Remember bad beats happen everywhere. Two hands in a row (that I played not consecutively) at the local B&M: I had AQs & AKo. AQ hand had a flop of 10-A-3. Ok I'm boss and bet . No raise, 3 callers. turn is a rag 8. I bet - 2 callers. River is the 10. Ouch. First checks. I think for a minute and bet . 3rd raises me and I figured trips but I called anyway. She flips over 10-3 offsuit. R u crapping me. She called a preflop raise with 10-3 off. I think my B&M should be called Party Poker. AK hand is almost identical situation. Preflop is 4 bet by myself and a guy who raised without ever looking at his cards. One other caller who says as she calls, what the heck here's a loose call. 1 other caller. Flop comes 7-8-A rainbow. Ok boss again, bet out of BB. Loose aggressive raises in the dark and the nice lady cold calls raise and I 3bet, dark caps it. Ok stay away from that 78 and I figure I'm good. Turn brings 7-8-A-4 (flush and straight draw) I bet out. two calls. River is a J. I bet out, dark fianlly looks at cards and mucks, called by the nice lady who flips over the ever popular 8-4 offsuit. Needless to say, I know those aren't horrible bad beats like flop a set and lose to a runner-runner flush or something, but it does show you that the local B&M is pretty similar to online poker LMAO. I think it is just easier to get frustrated online because the hands happen so fast and it is easier to go on tilt sitting in the friendly confines of your home or office. Stay strong and remember that those chasers are your best customers in the long run. Good luck, Djpoker | ||
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| Re: Online & B&M, Kyle, 15. Aug 2003 13:51 | ||
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| Thanks for these very thought provoking replies! I was talking to a friend about this yesterday at work, too. I had used the term "plateau in my learning curve" when describing my frustration to him. So it was a great feeling to hear someone else describe it as a plateau. And, I have thought back on my game the last 3 days. A few hands do come to mind that perhaps I wasn't playing tight enough on them. But, I also wonder if my play becomes too predictable if I am too tight. So once in a while I would play ATo or suited connectors (from 8 up) in late position. At any rate, at the 3/6 level, do I have to worry about people seeing that Iam playing too tight? Also, at what limits do the players stop playing "no fold'em Hold'em"? Thanks, you all are most helpful, Kyle | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, shorn, 15. Aug 2003 08:01 | ||
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| Kyle- I don't think you are giving your sessions anywhere near the time necessary to draw any conclusions about your play or the distribution of cards. Remember...poker is a long-term game where over many independent trials, all players receive the same amount of good hands/bad hands and luck. That is why the skilled player WILL (not should) win the money over time. I commend you though on recognizing that you have much to learn. We all do every day...even the top players. Perhaps read a few books, keep reading the posts by all the great pro resources here (Roy, Mike, Greg, Grant, 4P and others) and then buy back in when you are more comfortable. Good luck to you. | ||
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