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 Ax's, Radman, 13. Aug 2003 19:11 | ||
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| good thread on the low suited connectors earlier. interesting that what I figure are the high limit players don't care for them as much. Doesn't that have a lot to do with very few chances to imploy them in the correct spot?? I mean how many times do you have 5 limpers in front of you in a 30-60 game? ha, 100-200?HA. 78's is like a gravy train with biscuit wheels in a nice loose/passive game. IMO What about ax's? this is probably my favorite(non-group 1 or 2) hand of them all in said games. Especially 3, 4,and 5. infact I play these three hands a little looser than "by the book" in tougher games. in part to very my play, but mostly besause I like the 3ways to win aspect. When you do take one down with these hands it always seems nice also. Is this flawed thinking? Would I get killed limping in from MP in an average 40-80 game? | ||
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| Re: Ax's, stdioh, 13. Aug 2003 20:51 | ||
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| Depends on position, depends on the players, and depends on the X. I'll usually fold A6s in early position at just about any table. I'm much more inclned to play something like A9s just because of the extra advantage that sometimes you hit an ace and your kicker is good a little more often than with A6. Still, not something to play up front unless at a very loose very passive table. You really need to bring it up against a big field. It is worse than small suited connectors because the advantage to your flush being nut doesn't nearly outweigh the advantage of the straights. One of the gold tassles on small suited connectors is your ability to flop an unberdraw. Something like up/down with a flush draw ... possibly up/down to a straight flush. That gets you a huge amount of play since you're not a more than 50% favourite to make your hand. With the AXs that blows away and the advantage you get from maybe hitting top pair is flimsy at best. I'm play A6s in about the same place that I'd play 45s and I'd play A9s in about the same place that I'd play 89s. | ||
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| Re: Ax's, Jav, 14. Aug 2003 10:17 | ||
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| I prefer AXs in pot-limit or passive no-limit games. You can play them in limit at loose-passive tables, but you should be fairly certain you're not going to be raised. (hence wanting to play them in late position). It can be too expensive having to see a flop with them if it's two-bet. The most important thing is that if you do decide to play them, then you have to be able to get away cheap if you don't like the flop. The flop you really want is a flush. You can also play well with two pair, trips (trips is especially nice with the X because you have trips with an Ace kicker), or a straight if it was Ace rag. You have to be very careful if an Ace comes on the flop though. I think very few people can play that hand profitably (and I doubt I'm one of them). For most people it's probably best to just fold to any action. But in pot-limit I like them alot. Mostly because you can frequently limp in with them, and they have good nut potential. The implied odds can be much higher than in limit as well. | ||
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| Re: Ax's, LJH, 15. Aug 2003 12:13 | ||
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| RADMAN, I LIKE YOUR THINKING. AX'S ARE GREAT IN ANY GAME, WITH THE RIGHT FLOP. LJH | ||
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| Jav, Radman, 15. Aug 2003 19:55 | ||
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| I agree with everything you say about these hands, except fearing the raise. i know you're not going to get folder odds against only 3-4 players, especially if it's two bets, but what about implied here(limit)? A83 is such a nice trap flop(if you hold the A3) I know you need to release an Ace flop real quick, but even then you have a good chance of BDF+ BDS to go with it giving you (possible)correct odds for a single call. Bottom pair isn't all that bad with 3 flush, 3 str8 and top kicker either. At any rate, right or wrong I'll probably continue to play these few hands a little looser than whats "correct". I feel I play them well, and you gotta throw your opponents off once in a blue moon. (: | ||
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| stdioh, Radman, 15. Aug 2003 20:07 | ||
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| I play A9-6's pretty much the same way. How about 3,4,5? These are the hands I feel have the implied power with 3 ways to win. 2pair being my favorite in the times you don't get the number of players you want. the good player with AK will pay several bets, and the weak player will pay even more, with even less. Now if you do get the 5+ players you want (1 or 2 bets at this point, I don't care) even flops you're not in love with can give proper odds. | ||
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| Re: Ax's, chasepoker, 16. Aug 2003 04:52 | ||
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| I think you should all be very careful with Ax's i find i used to play it way to much it is a drawing hand and thus you need a large field of players to play it. Due to the fact you have a large field the chances of the A being good if it pairs is greatly reduced so you have to hit your flush. As the chances of hitting the flush are remote and due to the fact that you dont often see a flush beaten by another flush ( with 2 hole cards to the flush for both players ) the fact that the hand has an ace x is not really worth as much as it may appear. Also unless you can recognise the times when your ace may be good if you flop top pair ( which i admit i cannot do yet ) the hand may actualy cost you too much money as it is hard to throw away what seems like top pair ( albeit with the x garbage kicker ). I personaly throw this hand away in all but the later postions i would leave this situation to the experts In low limit game i either want to be playing premium hands or great drawing hand suited connectors, big one gap suited connectors or pocket pairs. Ax's usually has only one way to win and in the low limit hold em games that i play i prefer having two ways to win, this is also why i dont play connectors that are not suited unless there are alot of players in the pot. Cheers Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Ax's, 4 POKER, 16. Aug 2003 06:51 | ||
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| on 13. Aug 2003 19:11 Radman wrote: > good thread on the low suited connectors earlier. interesting that what I figure > are the high limit players don't care for them as much. Doesn't that have a lot > to do with very few chances to imploy them in the correct spot?? I mean how many > times do you have 5 limpers in front of you in a 30-60 game? ha, 100-200?HA. > > 78's is like a gravy train with biscuit wheels in a nice loose/passive game. > IMO > > What about ax's? this is probably my favorite(non-group 1 or 2) hand of them > all in said games. Especially 3, 4,and 5. infact I play these three hands a > little looser than "by the book" in tougher games. in part to very my play, but > mostly besause I like the 3ways to win aspect. When you do take one down with > these hands it always seems nice also. > > Is this flawed thinking? Would I get killed limping in from MP in an average > 40-80 game? Chasepokers response is "dead on" IMO. To add to what you were saying.......playing Ax against a tough field can be very costly to you because even if you do hit the Ace...... just by the way they'll play their hands may cause you to make an incorrect call, or an incorrect fold. The hand is really looking to hit a flush or to perhaps steal the blinds with when your on the button.....because all too often you'll find that the hand is not as strong as it appears to be. Flushes don't come around too often, (I agree with Chasepoker), and too many times you'll be outkicked when you *do* flop an Ace, and you'll probably need to hit your hand twice to stand a chance. Although the Ax suited are playable........they're not all that golden IMHO, and they probably will save you more money when you chose to play less of them when they come your way. Of course everything will always depend on the situation, your position, and the opponents at hand.......but generally, they're really not your true moneymaking hands. The problem with the hand is often post-flop decisions, thus creating more problems........unless you play your hands really well here. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Ax's, mj, 19. Aug 2003 22:36 | ||
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| Yeah, listen to chase and 4poker, excellent advice. The only thing I would tack on is tell yourself before the flop that if an Ace falls, you'll be willing to fold the flop. Too often I see people draw AXs out trying to hit a two pair backdoor flush or other such bad draws that are not solid draws based on your odds. Don't get caught in that mentality. Just remember, 7:1 to hit 2 of your suit on the flop, then 1.9:1 to make your flush after the flush. - MJ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Party Poker Playing Guide http://teamfu.freeshell.org/ | ||
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| Re: Ax's, TexRoadkill, 26. Aug 2003 15:08 | ||
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| In short handed play Ax can be a huge hand but in a full game it's dangerous. I get too paranoid if I hit the A with such a weak kicker and a lot of players seeing the flop. You also have an easy chance of getting knocked out by a crappy 2 pair hand from one of the blinds or getting trapped by a slow played pocket pair that hit a 3rd. | ||
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