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 Dont fix it if is isn't broken, grant pittman, 13. Aug 2003 09:20 | ||
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| I have several friends that play poker for a living and most of them play the game quite well. Yesterday,while playing poker at a casino north of Toronto, a buddy was discussing with me his previous weekend results playing online. He was stuck $5200 for the weekend playing limits from 15-30 to 30-60 and was giving his rather disappointing results a closer look. "Grant I think I'm playing too tight and maybe getting bluffed in hands. I should probably call more often on the river." I have played lots of poker with my buddy and unless he was doing something dramatically different in his game, I was suspicious he was being overly critical of his own game based on VERY short term results. He reads people and situations very well overall and I feel makes good decisions a high percentage of the time. But, he is a "young" player who hasn't quite grasped how large and quick the swings can be in the game. He believes that if he plays well he should win and if he isn't winning he must be doing something wrong. Well, it is certainly true that you must play well to win however this will not even come close to assuring that you will ALWAYS win. The game plays so that luck is a large factor in the short term(a weekend of poker definately qualifies as short term) and it becomes very very very dangerous to change your game in the manner my buddy was considering to compensate for short term bad results. The danger lies of course in adapting new strategys that just don't fit for given situations in an effort to "force" the outcome you want(to win the hand). Poker is a somewhat repetitive game and it is very possible to get into bad habits quickly especially since it often seems you are doing things well in the game. The game can and does fool some pretty intelligent people regularly . In particular those ones who believe when they win and are winning they are doing things perfectly and when they lose its time to fix their game. I'm not saying to not ever look at your game for leaks and make necessary adjustments but I am a believer that you must do it with a clear head and base your changes on fact that is being logically supported. My buddy had a winning session last night and played very well. I'm happy he didn't fix his game because it wasn't broken. GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Dont fix it if is isn't broken, longshot3, 13. Aug 2003 10:26 | ||
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| i'm glad you posted that story. i have been thinking about my game lately because i have had a couple of bad beats. i have went back to the books and make sure i'm playing the cards along with the books. i have but i felt i have been playing a little too tight as well. thanks for the post!! i needed the confidence. | ||
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| Re: Dont fix it if is isn't broken, KidJ, 13. Aug 2003 10:45 | ||
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| Hmmm, the timing of this post is a little eerie. I just had (as in 30 minutes ago) the following conversation with some fellow poker brats/buddies of mine. Mind you, this conversation took place after a very successful hour of on-line poker. Me: "A couple of guys slow-played me to the river on the last 4 or 5 hands and took the pot. I wonder if I'm getting a little too predictable. MIght want to mix it up a little." How do you guys/gals protect or enhance your on-line image? | ||
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| Re: Dont fix it if is isn't broken, ezcheese, 13. Aug 2003 10:47 | ||
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| great advice grant... also something I don't think has been discussed here before... thank you | ||
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| Re: Dont fix it if is isn't broken, stdioh, 13. Aug 2003 16:02 | ||
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| You were playing at Rama, I assume? Or Port Perry? Are you in Ontario for a while? I'll be in BC next week, but if you're still around Ontario after that I'd love to talk poker over buffet at any of the cardrooms. ... let me know. | ||
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| Re: Dont fix it if is isn't broken, LJH, 13. Aug 2003 19:12 | ||
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| GRANT, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON THIS FORUM, MANY PLAYERS THINK THAT LONG TERM IS 3 HOURS OF PLAY. I HOPE THEY FOLOW YOUR ADVICE AND UNDERSTAND THAT LONG TERM MAY BE DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS OR YEARS. LJH | ||
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| Re: Dont fix it if is isn't broken, Mike Caro, 14. Aug 2003 06:47 | ||
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| on 13. Aug 2003 09:20 grant pittman wrote: > I have several friends that play poker for a living and most of them play the > game quite well. Yesterday,while playing poker at a casino north of Toronto, a > buddy was discussing with me his previous weekend results playing online. He was > stuck $5200 for the weekend playing limits from 15-30 to 30-60 and was giving > his rather disappointing results a closer look. "Grant I think I'm playing too > tight and maybe getting bluffed in hands. I should probably call more often on > the river." I have played lots of poker with my buddy and unless he was doing > something dramatically different in his game, I was suspicious he was being > overly critical of his own game based on VERY short term results. He reads > people and situations very well overall and I feel makes good decisions a high > percentage of the time. But, he is a "young" player who hasn't quite grasped how > large and quick the swings can be in the game. He believes that if he plays well > he should win and if he isn't winning he must be doing something wrong. Well, it > is certainly true that you must play well to win however this will not even come > close to assuring that you will ALWAYS win. The game plays so that luck is a > large factor in the short term(a weekend of poker definately qualifies as short > term) and it becomes very very very dangerous to change your game in the manner > my buddy was considering to compensate for short term bad results. The danger > lies of course in adapting new strategys that just don't fit for given > situations in an effort to "force" the outcome you want(to win the hand). Poker > is a somewhat repetitive game and it is very possible to get into bad habits > quickly especially since it often seems you are doing things well in the game. > The game can and does fool some pretty intelligent people regularly . In > particular those ones who believe when they win and are winning they are doing > things perfectly and when they lose its time to fix their game. I'm not saying > to not ever look at your game for leaks and make necessary adjustments but I am > a believer that you must do it with a clear head and base your changes on fact > that is being logically supported. My buddy had a winning session last night and > played very well. I'm happy he didn't fix his game because it wasn't broken. > GRANT PITTMAN Hi, Grant -- Very nicely stated. I teach that you can reduce profit (or even change from winning expectation to losing expectation) by adjusting based on results, instead of based on rational reasons. In Gambling Times magazine, more than 20 years ago, I discussed just how unexpectedly long the "long run" can be. Simulations in which skill was not a factor showed that you could run bad for months. This is true even if you're normally a winning player. For a year's play, I identified theoretically break-even players by make-believe names and tracked them for "years" of simulated computer play. In moderate size games, some won $60,000, while others playing exactly the same way lost $60,000. Now, if that happened in the real world, who's going to be taking lessons from whom? Right, but it would make no sense, because the losing player is just as good as the winning "teacher." For the same reason that you wouldn't want to take lessons from a non-superior lucky player, solely because your short-term results are bad, you also wouldn't want to adjust your game based solely on those results. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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