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 Why it's better to bet than call..., MozMan, 11. Aug 2003 15:49 | ||
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| Hey guys- Thought this might be an interesting topic, and had the perfect example from a hand history. This is the second hand at the final table; NLHE. Notice what I was dealt, and what the hand winner (SaigonVic) was dealt (at the end). It's a good hand for a raise in a situation like this, but not a good hand for a call. Vic was a solid player, and he knew everyone would be playing VERY tight for the first few hands, so any ace was an excuse to steal the blinds. Hand 321455-2 begins. Hand #321455-2 at Sun2amNL-Final (No Limit tournament Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 10/Aug/03 05:56:03 CaptainTrips is at seat 0 with 10230. Big Al11 is at seat 1 with 94180. bignewc is at seat 2 with 75245. SaigonVic is at seat 3 with 94710. David Jamison is at seat 4 with 10800. MozMan is at seat 5 with 40560. bowla300 is at seat 6 with 17400. diamondjohn is at seat 7 with 147635. Moorebiz is at seat 8 with 8440. timbo777 is at seat 9 with 34800. The button is moved to seat 4. The button is at seat 4. MozMan posts the small blind of 3000. bowla300 posts the big blind of 6000. CaptainTrips, at seat 0, is in this hand. Big Al11, at seat 1, is in this hand. bignewc, at seat 2, is in this hand. SaigonVic, at seat 3, is in this hand. David Jamison, at seat 4, is in this hand. MozMan, at seat 5, is in this hand. bowla300, at seat 6, is in this hand. diamondjohn, at seat 7, is in this hand. Moorebiz, at seat 8, is in this hand. timbo777, at seat 9, is in this hand. MozMan is dealt: 5c bowla300 is dealt: diamondjohn is dealt: Moorebiz is dealt: timbo777 is dealt: CaptainTrips is dealt: Big Al11 is dealt: bignewc is dealt: SaigonVic is dealt: David Jamison is dealt: MozMan is dealt: Ah bowla300 is dealt: diamondjohn is dealt: Moorebiz is dealt: timbo777 is dealt: CaptainTrips is dealt: Big Al11 is dealt: bignewc is dealt: SaigonVic is dealt: David Jamison is dealt: Pre-flop: diamondjohn folds. Moorebiz folds. timbo777 folds. CaptainTrips folds. Big Al11 folds. bignewc folds. diamondjohn says "great job w/ short stack". SaigonVic raises to 21000. David Jamison folds. MozMan folds. bowla300 folds. SaigonVic is returned 15000 (uncalled). Hand evaluation for SaigonVic (5h Ac) Hand #321455-2 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. SaigonVic wins 15000. Hand 321455-2 ends. -Moz "Your destiny chooses you." | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., stdioh, 11. Aug 2003 16:08 | ||
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| Of course that is a perfect example. When it is crunchy final table time A5 is a great hand to try to steal with and a terrible hand to call a raise with. This is the gap concept at work. You were right to fold and he was right to bet. | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., MozMan, 11. Aug 2003 16:57 | ||
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| Absolutely, and I would have done the same if the roles were reversed. :) -Moz "Your destiny chooses you." | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., jumpthru, 12. Aug 2003 00:26 | ||
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| Why did it show his hand? It was an uncalled bet...?? | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., MozMan, 12. Aug 2003 08:49 | ||
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| UB hand histories always do that... I'm not sure of the reasoning. -Moz "Your destiny chooses you." | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., stdioh, 12. Aug 2003 10:19 | ||
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| What? I don't get uncalled bets shown. Do you somehow have priveledged access to that? | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., jumpthru, 12. Aug 2003 11:06 | ||
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| Yeah, same here...that isn't right...you have to pay to see... Maybe that was just a tournement thing? | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., MozMan, 12. Aug 2003 13:53 | ||
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| No, you don't get them when you hit the "hand history" button, but you do get them when you send an email to UB and ask for a hand history from X table, hand xxx through hand xxx. It comes in what they email back to you. -Moz "Your destiny chooses you." | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., jumpthru, 12. Aug 2003 19:38 | ||
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| I still don't understand. Does anyone else understand this? You have to pay to see a hand...so now you can use this information to your advantage in knowing if you were bluffed. | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., stdioh, 13. Aug 2003 16:41 | ||
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| No kidding. I had no idea they did that. I guess they want to allow that so that players who think they are getting juiced by the "best hand" collusion or chip dumping can prove it. | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., MozMan, 13. Aug 2003 19:04 | ||
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| yeah, now that you mention it, that makes the most sense. -Moz "Your destiny chooses you." | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., ezcheese, 12. Aug 2003 11:53 | ||
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| If you were in better position you would have done the same thing right? | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., MozMan, 12. Aug 2003 13:55 | ||
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| Absolutely, and I expect he would have folded off in that instance, too... -Moz "Your destiny chooses you." | ||
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| Re: Why it's better to bet than call..., ezcheese, 13. Aug 2003 11:49 | ||
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| I would hope so, otherwise you're giving the guy WAY too much credit. | ||
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