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Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, jumpthru, 11. Aug 2003 12:48
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My hand was misread!!! My cards are Qd Ac 5s Ts

Board is: 7s 8s Kh 3d 9d

giving me a low of a 3 5 7 8

and the winner of the low was 8 7 4 3 2

WHAT HAPPENED?

HELP, i am new at omaha 8/b, but I think i am right...



Getting Hand History Information...
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Hand #287474-3428 at Richmond ($.25/$.50 Omaha 8/b)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 11/Aug/03 15:45:03

jac772 is at seat 2 with $23.90.
ayazell209 is at seat 3 with $28.40.
jumpthru is at seat 4 with $12.65.
urasking4it is at seat 5 with $13.30.
The button is at seat 3.

jumpthru posts the small blind of $.10.
urasking4it posts the big blind of $.25.

jac772: -- -- -- --
ayazell209: -- -- -- --
jumpthru: Qd Ac 5s Ts
urasking4it: -- -- -- --

Pre-flop:

jac772 calls. ayazell209 calls. jumpthru raises to
$.50. urasking4it calls. jac772 calls. ayazell209
calls.

Flop (board: 7s 8s Kh):

jumpthru bets $.25. urasking4it calls. jac772
calls. ayazell209 calls.

Turn (board: 7s 8s Kh 3d):

jumpthru bets $.50. urasking4it calls. jac772
calls. ayazell209 calls.

River (board: 7s 8s Kh 3d 9d):

jumpthru checks. urasking4it checks. jac772 bets
$.50. ayazell209 calls. jumpthru calls.
urasking4it calls.



Showdown:

jac772 shows 2d 4d 6h Td.
jac772 has 6h Td 7s 8s 9d: straight, ten high (high).
jac772 has 2d 4d 7s 8s 3d: 8 7 4 3 2 (low).
ayazell209 mucks cards.
(ayazell209 has 9s Jd 5h Kc.)
jumpthru mucks cards.
(jumpthru has Qd Ac 5s Ts.)
urasking4it mucks cards.
(urasking4it has 8c Kd 4s 7d.)


Hand #287474-3428 Summary:

$.25 is raked from a pot of $7.
jac772 wins $3.40 with straight, ten high (high).
jac772 wins $3.35 with 8 7 4 3 2 (low).
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, ezcheese, 11. Aug 2003 12:50
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don't you use 5 cards?? you're only using 4... you would have a 9 high
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, stdioh, 11. Aug 2003 15:42
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No. He's using 5 cards. Just that his A5 is beat by his opponent's 24.
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, ezcheese, 12. Aug 2003 12:08
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learned something new... didn't know that for low hands you go with the lowest high card.
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, grant pittman, 11. Aug 2003 13:10
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jumpthru....when playing 8 or better games the lowest hand will always be the lowest "number" counting your 5 cards from highest to lowest ( ace=1) so 8-7-5-3-A is a worse low than 8-7-4-3-2....hope this clears it up for you. GRANT PITTMAN
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, jumpthru, 11. Aug 2003 14:38
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Thank you so much for explaining it, I thought it was the lowest card was counted first, so my ace beat his 2...

thanks for all your help,
nate

on 11. Aug 2003 13:10 grant pittman wrote:
> jumpthru....when playing 8 or better games the lowest hand will always be the lowest
> "number" counting your 5 cards from highest to lowest ( ace=1) so 8-7-5-3-A is a
> worse low than 8-7-4-3-2....hope this clears it up for you. GRANT PITTMAN
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, TKarrde, 11. Aug 2003 15:31
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Don't worry Nate, I got burnt on that THREE times before I got smart and asked someone.

TKarrde

"The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing."
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, Risky Business, 11. Aug 2003 13:39
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I think your question is.....who wins?

7-6-5-4-3 vs. 8-A-2-3-4

The lowest of the low, or the lowest of the high?
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, MozMan, 11. Aug 2003 13:43
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on 11. Aug 2003 12:48 jumpthru wrote:

> Board is: 7s 8s Kh 3d 9d
>
> giving me a low of a 3 5 7 8
>
> and the winner of the low was 8 7 4 3 2

Look at the hands closely:

You have: A 3 5 7 8
He has: 2 3 4 7 8

I'm not a H/L player, but I think his 4 beats your 5 for the low.

-Moz

"Your destiny chooses you."
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, TryNotDO, 11. Aug 2003 13:46
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Wouldn't the A beat the 2?
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, Lottery Larry, 11. Aug 2003 14:02
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no. the hands are compared from highest to lowest, not the other way around
86543 beats 8732A. often called an 87-low vs. 86-low. similarly, 8654A loses to 86532
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, MozMan, 11. Aug 2003 14:42
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Exactly my thought. Thanx for the confirmation Larry.

-Moz

"Your destiny chooses you."
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, Kurt Abele, 11. Aug 2003 13:55
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> My hand was misread!!! My cards are Qd Ac 5s Ts
>
> Board is: 7s 8s Kh 3d 9d
>
> giving me a low of A 3 5 7 8
>
> and the winner of the low was 8 7 4 3 2

If I understand the rules - the lowest high card is the winner - You each had 7 8 , the next cards were the 4 / 5 and the 4 beats the 5
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, chasepoker, 11. Aug 2003 15:43
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Also don't be surprised if you suddenly see the waiting list on your table increase by about 20 :-)

on 11. Aug 2003 12:48 jumpthru wrote:
> My hand was misread!!! My cards are Qd Ac 5s Ts
>
> Board is: 7s 8s Kh 3d 9d
>
> giving me a low of a 3 5 7 8
>
> and the winner of the low was 8 7 4 3 2
>
> WHAT HAPPENED?
>
> HELP, i am new at omaha 8/b, but I think i am right...
>
>
>
> Getting Hand History Information...
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hand #287474-3428 at Richmond ($.25/$.50 Omaha 8/b)
> Powered by UltimateBet
> Started at 11/Aug/03 15:45:03
>
> jac772 is at seat 2 with $23.90.
> ayazell209 is at seat 3 with $28.40.
> jumpthru is at seat 4 with $12.65.
> urasking4it is at seat 5 with $13.30.
> The button is at seat 3.
>
> jumpthru posts the small blind of $.10.
> urasking4it posts the big blind of $.25.
>
> jac772: -- -- -- --
> ayazell209: -- -- -- --
> jumpthru: Qd Ac 5s Ts
> urasking4it: -- -- -- --
>
> Pre-flop:
>
> jac772 calls. ayazell209 calls. jumpthru raises to
> $.50. urasking4it calls. jac772 calls. ayazell209
> calls.
>
> Flop (board: 7s 8s Kh):
>
> jumpthru bets $.25. urasking4it calls. jac772
> calls. ayazell209 calls.
>
> Turn (board: 7s 8s Kh 3d):
>
> jumpthru bets $.50. urasking4it calls. jac772
> calls. ayazell209 calls.
>
> River (board: 7s 8s Kh 3d 9d):
>
> jumpthru checks. urasking4it checks. jac772 bets
> $.50. ayazell209 calls. jumpthru calls.
> urasking4it calls.
>
>
>
> Showdown:
>
> jac772 shows 2d 4d 6h Td.
> jac772 has 6h Td 7s 8s 9d: straight, ten high (high).
> jac772 has 2d 4d 7s 8s 3d: 8 7 4 3 2 (low).
> ayazell209 mucks cards.
> (ayazell209 has 9s Jd 5h Kc.)
> jumpthru mucks cards.
> (jumpthru has Qd Ac 5s Ts.)
> urasking4it mucks cards.
> (urasking4it has 8c Kd 4s 7d.)
>
>
> Hand #287474-3428 Summary:
>
> $.25 is raked from a pot of $7.
> jac772 wins $3.40 with straight, ten high (high).
> jac772 wins $3.35 with 8 7 4 3 2 (low).
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Chasepoker
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, 4 POKER, 11. Aug 2003 15:59
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Jumpthru,

Your hand was NOT misread. A simpler way for you to acknowledge the better low hand would be for you to take the *highest* card in your hand and count backwards from the cards on the board:

YOU held 8-7-5-3-A

Opponent held 8-7-*4*-3-2

You had an 8-7-5-x-x LOW, but your opponent had an 8-7-4 LOW, and 8-7-4 is lower than 8-7-5 (even though you held an Ace to go with it, it doesn't make a difference. You must count your low hand from the *highest* card down to the lowest card.

Hope this simplifies things more clearly for you now and BTW........the poker sites never make that kind of mistake! They know exactly where the pot is going at all times when the hand is over.

Welcome to Omaha........keep at it and good luck.

4 POKER
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, jumpthru, 11. Aug 2003 17:57
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Thank you everyone for all your help!!

I even read the rules on the UB site and still was confused...this clears it up.

Yes, this was one my first times playing omaha, and it actually is really fun...

Good thing I am starting out with only $10 :)

Thanks, and sorry my stupidy,
Nate
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, chasepoker, 11. Aug 2003 18:10
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Hey just by reading here in the first place and even posting you're question you are ahead of probably half of the table. Keep asking questions ( though someone else might answer them on Omaha !!! )and dont be afraid to ask anything however trivial it may seem.

You have some great players here to learn from and loads of people ( me included ) who pick their brains from time to time !

If you are new to UPF ( sorry so many new people have joined in the past few weeks and i dont recognise the name) welcome to Mike and Roy's quality site - it rocks !!!!!


> Good thing I am starting out with only $10 :)
>
> Thanks, and sorry my stupidy,
> Nate

Chasepoker
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, 4 POKER, 11. Aug 2003 18:33
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Nate,

Asking questions (regardless of how silly they may sound to you) is what this forum is about. So please don't think that any question you may have is not worth asking, because it IS. Remember.....the only stupid question is the one that goes unasked.

I've been playin' Omaha hi-lo for years now and believe me......when I first started to play the game, it wasn't so easy reading the lows and then having to read the board and now the other persons low, blah, blah, etc. etc. It takes time and experience, with maybe a few good pointers to help you out, so I'm glad we were able to help out a bit, and thanks for posting your question.

P.s. Could it be that we have an "Omahalic" on our hands?......I sure hope so, it's a great game!

4 POKER
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, Easy E, 12. Aug 2003 03:50
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on 11. Aug 2003 18:33 4 POKER wrote:
> Nate,
>
> Asking questions (regardless of how silly they may sound to you) is what this forum is about.
> So please don't think that any question you may have is not worth asking, because it IS.
> Remember.....the only stupid question is the one that goes unasked.

I thought that the only stupid question is the one you ask repeatedly...
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, MozMan, 12. Aug 2003 08:50
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No, that's senility... unless you remember the answer and just expect it to be different each time. ;)

-Moz

"Your destiny chooses you."
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Re: Help!! My hand was misread on UB!!, Easy E, 14. Aug 2003 05:57
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HAHAHA!
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