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 Flack and Ivey, WilliamS, 11. Aug 2003 10:33 | ||
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| How did young guys like Flack and Ivey build enough of a bankroll to play at the levels that play at? It seems to me it would take many, many years to build up to those levels even with optimum play. | ||
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| Re: Flack and Ivey, Nathaniel Brous, 11. Aug 2003 11:20 | ||
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| a few years old but interesting. http://www.pokerplus.com/iflack.htm P.S. Ivey certainly has a excellent track record in ring games (A.C.), but I have no knowledge of Flack's ring game talent. If you are referring to the Tournament trail...one good win can keep you playing for a while, but you have to keep on winning (or top three) big events to keep ahead. -Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: Flack and Ivey, stdioh, 11. Aug 2003 15:56 | ||
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| Indeed, all you need is a kick start. Look at me - I could shell out $1000 for a big tourney and take a shot at it, lose and think about playing another one in a year. If I actually came into some decent money in it, I'd definitely set some of it aside for a tourney bankroll. Catch another good piece of money with that and maybe I'd be playing a lot of tournaments with some regularity. Everybody starts somewhere, but with tournaments you can really get catapulted into the spotlight. | ||
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| Re: Flack and Ivey, grant pittman, 11. Aug 2003 12:50 | ||
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| williamS......the reality is that a player can "move up" in poker very quickly if they are willing to take a shot at a much bigger game than their bankroll would indicate. It takes a "no fear of goin broke" attitude along with a good knowledge of the game of course. I have played with both Phil and Layne and to say they are aggressive and fearless is an understatement. Neither one of these guys miss a bet when they have a winner nor do they miss many opportunities to steal a pot so when they run well they can build some money up very quickly. Since they will play for whatever money they have in their pockets it only makes sense that they will often sit in some huge games and do well. Of course this type of play causes huge swings in their bankrolls and im sure they suffer at times and are forced to play lower. Keep in mind that a player can build a bankroll by "grinding out " a steady win by playing at a consistent limit and playing lots of hours constantly learning more about the game as he goes along or you can take stabs with small amounts of money at higher limits and hope to run well to build it bigger and quicker (it is not uncommon to see a player go from playing say 15-30 to playing 500-1000 in a matter of a few months but it is VERY uncommon to see that same player hold on at these limits for very long) . GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: Flack and Ivey, 4 POKER, 11. Aug 2003 16:19 | ||
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| Phil Ivey has been playing in ring games in AC long before he was even the legal age to do so! He actually started at the $15-30 level and worked his way up to $40-80 where he spent many, many hours crushing the stud games. This took several years though, but yes, he advanced pretty quickly compared to most. He then entered a few tournaments and was able to place in "the money" on several occasions. The extra money that he earned from the tournaments allowed him to play even higher limits in the ring games, as he started to play at the $75-150 levels........and it went on from there. He was successful......he kept moving up in limits.........he proceeded to place in more tournaments, with some 1st place finishes......so on and so on. The guy is a natural when it comes to poker. He's absolutely one of the best IMO when it comes to putting his opponents on hands and he fears noone! I played with Phil back before he was "Phil Ivey", and I used to think, "man, this guy plays ALOT of hands"!.......and then I realized it was simply because, "He can"! He plays his cards (and yours) better than I could imagine someone to do. Layne Flack: I'm not sure of his story from what his results are in ring games but........he's an excellent tournament player and has quite a few 1st place finishes under his belt. His NL game is top notch. 4 POKER | ||
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