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 New limit player help, JonnyC, 9. Aug 2003 22:24 | ||
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| Hello All, I am a new player to poker and have been playing for about four months now, averaging about 10 hours a week but I've only played online. I've been keeping records the past two months to track my progress. In sit-n-go's, Im up at least 500 dollars. However, in limit 1/2 games I'm down 700. I seem to play great when there is less poeple, but terrible with more. Here's my question. I've been trying to play only premium hands lately, such as pairs, high suited, and A-suited. I've also been trying to raise most of the time when i have these hands pre-flop. Using this strategy, I've been losing less, but I'm still down a little. So, do you think in these loose online 1/2 games i should try to loosen up a little? Maybe tighten up a little? Play different starting hands? I'm getting sick of getting outdrawn on the river by 5-3 offsuit and loosing huge pots... Any help would really be appriciated Jon | ||
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| Re: New limit player help, Swagman, 9. Aug 2003 23:23 | ||
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| I have found the grind in a full table limit hold'em terribly depressing. Have you tried a PL r NL table yet? Stick with whats making you money is my advice. | ||
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| Re: New limit player help, chasepoker, 10. Aug 2003 04:51 | ||
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| With your winnings get a copy of Lee Jones book on Low Limit hold 'em and i would advise that you get Slanksky's book on hold 'em also. They go through the basic foundations of winning at hold em. Also i found it difficult when first learning to switch between limit and no limit i would concentrate on one of the two first or maybe take a month of limit and then a month of no limit. Also i found that playing in sit and go tournaments on line helped me play a lot of hands for not much of a rake and you get a good chance of winning some cash at the end of it ! Also i just read your bit about winning short handed but not at a full table i would suggest ( without watching your play ) that you are winning at SH as you are playing loose , which is fine against one or two people, but at a full table your loose play gets punished. Just my 2 pence ( cents - whatever ) Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: New limit player help, Barry T, 10. Aug 2003 05:05 | ||
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| Hi, Jon: You need more book larnin' and a lot more time. You seem to have about 160 hours of poker, which is a very small amount, and nowhere near enough to give you a realistic picture of your results. Short term, poker is dominated by luck, long term by skill. Read Wining Low Limit Hold'em by Lee Jones (my friend, but I do not have an interest in the book or publisher), Hold'em Poker by Sklansky first. Try to understand the relationship between hand value and thenumber of players seeing the flop. And understand that in low limit poker especially, many strange beats are goiong to happen. BarryT | ||
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| Re: New limit player help, LJH, 10. Aug 2003 08:53 | ||
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| JONNYC, PLAY THE BIG STARTING CARDS. AND DO A LOT OF PRE FLOP RAISING TO TRY TO GET MORE PLAYERS OUT. AFTER TEH FLOP IF YOU DO NOT IMPROVE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PLAYERS LEFT GIVE IT UP.LJH | ||
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| Re: New limit player help, JonnyC, 10. Aug 2003 10:23 | ||
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| thanks all, ill take a look at those books you guys mentioned and hopefully i can turn that part of my game around. Thanks again to your replies Jon | ||
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| Re: New limit player help, Guru, 10. Aug 2003 10:36 | ||
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| Jonny, I'll give you my opinion, for what it's worth. It seems to me, based on your post, that you may be raising too much. More raising in NL generally pays off better than it does in low limit games. It's a proper play to raise with high pairs and, maybe, Big Slick, because these are basically made hands that can often win without improvement. All the other hands like AX, two paint cards, low pairs, and even Big Slick, are drawing hands. You will hit these hands far less and raising with them is costing you at least two big bets every time. You should just be calling with these hands to minimize the loss when you don't hit and to maximize the number of callers to get a bigger pot when you do hit them. IMO, the pre-flop raising is probably a big leak in your game. Guru | ||
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| Re: New limit player help, stdioh, 11. Aug 2003 11:02 | ||
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| Playing all your suited aces is not playing premium hands. A2 suited is garbage you should throw away in early position and in late position you should only play it against a lot of limpers. You certainly shouldn't be raising it as that is only going to thin the field and you want to take this hand up against a lot of players so that you can afford to play it for a flush. You don't want to play it when you hit only an ace because it is very rare that you'll win with top pair no kicker - especially when the top pair is AA. Second your small pairs should be limped with and not raised. If you have very small pairs in early position, unless the table is very loose and passive you should throw them away too. When you play a little pair you're looking to flop a set and that means that you want to take them against a large field. That means you limp with them, look at the flop, and follow the mentality of no set = no bet. It isn't important that you pick a certain set of hands to play and then just play them like a drunken sailor. You need to know the best way to play any two cards you get dealt...in most cases the right move is to fold nomatter what, but in a lot of cases it depends on position and the actions of those who have already acted. | ||
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