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 Shorthanded play and position, palman, 9. Aug 2003 16:48 | ||
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| In a regular ring game, essentially your position preflop is the same that it will be post flop, except for the blinds. 1st to act preflop is still relatively early post flop. However in shorthanded play, the first to act preflop is in mid position, and the blinds raise much more preflop in shorthanded games than they do in full ring games, so the preflop position of the button isn't as strong. How does this affect the general maxim that the later your position the more you can loosen up assuming no raisers. I ask this because I find myself folding hands UTG in 6 handed games because I think I'm in early position, when in actuality on most flops there is only going to be one person acting after me. Thoughts? | ||
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| Re: Shorthanded play and position, 4 POKER, 9. Aug 2003 17:15 | ||
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| Hey palman, Even in a 6 player max game, you still want to take your position into alot of consideration. If you're UTG you don't want to be entering the pot with a hand that cannot withstand one raise. Hands like medium suited connectors are often not playable from this spot, small pocket pairs are often muck hands as well simply because those types of holdings still want volume at a cheap price to play them. Now depending on the complete texture of the game at present, will also factor in as to "what might be the best play with any certain holding"? Hands like A-10, Q-J, K-10 are playable in the right spot and often can be raised in an un-entered pot in last position...but in a very aggresive or loose type of 6 handed game; you have to consider the possibilty that this particular holding may cost you an extra bet or two to play it pre-flop. For those reasons I will stil stick to pretty strong guidelines as to what hands I will enter a pot with in an early position, wheras in a late position, I will still be able to enter pots with a more variety of holdings based on what has already occured in front of me....or.....I may also have to consider folding my starting hand, based on what the action was in front of me and from whom. Another point that you mentioned was, that often times when you're UTG, after the flop there will be just one person acting after you, correct? But that's not true before the flop, and that's what you need to consider when you play a hand in an up-front position. Even though some of the players behind you may fold pre-flop.....you still have to consider the players who are in the blinds position, and that there very well could be substantial action from either one or both of those players, AND from the ones who have not acted yet *still* must go in to your thought process when you decide to play a hand. Your starting hands in UTG position should either be hands that you can raise with or ones that are definitely strong enough to call a raise with while still allowing for your poor position to make these types of holdings profitable. Even at a 6 player max table....your starting hands need to be premium hands or hands that are very close in rank. If the game were 3 or 4 way, hands like Ace rag can often be raised as high cards play really well here, but with 6 players, the game does play a little differently. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Shorthanded play and position, PairTheBoard, 12. Aug 2003 13:17 | ||
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| It seems to me that in a shorthanded - say 6 handed - game you should play almost exactly as you would in a 10 handed ring game where the first 4 positions have folded. UNG 6 handed is essentially like being in middle position after those to your right have folded in a 10 handed game. The only difference I can think of is the small factor whereby folded hands to your right imply the remaining deck may be slightly richer in high cards than normal alowing you to play just a tad looser in the 6 handed situation. But that is only a small factor imo. | ||
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