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 Archive hand Question, markz, 8. Aug 2003 21:18 | ||
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| This is a 9-handed $80-$160 game at the Bellagio. I open with a raise to $160 under-the-gun having the As-Kd. Another early player cold-calls. A middle player makes it $240. The button calls. The small blind, a regular player in this game, now makes it $320. Everyone calls. There is $1920 in the pot and six players. The flop is: Ac-Jh-9c, giving me top pair, top kicker. The small blind comes out betting. The big blind calls. I raise to $160. The next player folds. The middle player, who had 3-bet preflop, makes it $240 and it looks like he is close to going all-in. The button folds. The small blind folds. The big blind calls. I call. There is $2720 in the pot and three players. The turn is the 7c. The big blind checks. I check. The middle player goes all-in by betting $60. The big blind calls( I did not play in this hand,it is an archived post of Oct.18,2002 which I happened to be reading. Anyways my question is what does the little blind have to play his hand this way ? just curious why bet the flop in to 5 players in a big pot and not follow through? | ||
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| Re: Archive hand Question, 4 POKER, 9. Aug 2003 06:24 | ||
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| Sometimes a player will bet just to see where he stands with his own holding, and now when it gets back to him at three bets, he knows his holding is no good. Maybe he held pocket Kings or Queens and tried to lead at the flop but now when it got back to him at three bets, he knew it would take a 2-outer for him to make his hand and even if he did turn a set here, it still may need improvement given the texture of the flop that was there. I couldn't put him on flopping an Ace there because he 3 bet the bet the hand coming in out of the small blind, and if he's a "sound" player, he probably wouldn't hold anything less than an Ace with a really strong kicker, (with a K or Q suited perhaps). And if he held AK, he may have called the raises now on the flop. That's why I'm more likely to give him a high pocket pair. Given the limit was a high limit, it would justify his 3 bet with QQ even *more*.... and for sure with KK. A solid player will make that type of play and then be able to just release it. Unless the small blind was just trying to bluff at the flop, (which I doubt being the way the hand was played out pre-flop), I think he chose to bet it as to opposed to checking and then perhaps just calling one bet by someone and never knowing where he really stood in the hand. That's my take on it anyway. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Archive hand Question, WilliamS, 9. Aug 2003 07:57 | ||
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| I say pocket kings or queens. He reraised from the small blind which leads me to believe a high pair or at least premium cards. I don't think he would reraise in that position without a high PP or AK AQ. He obviously doesn't have JJ and I don't think he would reraise preflop with a pair less than JJ into that many players feeling he would need to make a set to win. It wasn't AK or AQ because I don't think he can let go of those hands; so I'm back to KK QQ. Given his position and having shown aggression preflop, he leads out to see how strong the other player's holdings are. He got his answer and rightly got out. | ||
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| Re: Archive hand Question, markz, 9. Aug 2003 10:02 | ||
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| I agree that he probably had a high pocket pair,but I would never have bet that flop with the ace on board,one of thise players almost certainly has an ace,and will raise.I would checked and took a card off for 160.00,justifiable by the size of the pot. | ||
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| Re: Archive hand Question, Barry T, 9. Aug 2003 10:11 | ||
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| Hi. A lot depends on who the small blind is. SInce I know al the 80-160 regulars, it would have been easier if we knew.. But we can't go back and ask the archive. If he is good player, then he cannot have KK or QQ. First, if he did, he would know "where he stands". Nobody has to bet to figure out that in in this sequence, they need to release a big pair in a six handed pot when an ace hits. It would be silly to bet into a protected pot with a pair. But he made it four bets. In Bellagio, where that is not a cap, it is rare to see a good player make it 4 bets in the SB without a true premium hand. Even AQs would be a very marginal four bets out of positon, as would QQ. In fact, the only hands a good player would have here are AA, AKs, KK or something wierd that he is trying to do an operation with. SInce a good player will subside after the flop with KK, he either a) has AKs, with none of his suit on the board, and decides to give up after being raised twice on the flop (reasonable) or b) the something wierd that he gave up on after seeing that representing a big ace would not fly. Of course, if he is not that good a player, then he might have KK or QQ, and decide he "has to bet" once he put in the last raise. Indeed, he could be one of the "I bet to see where I am at" players. But not if he an expert. BarryT | ||
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