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 Can you get away from this hand?, Eaglesfan1, 8. Aug 2003 20:36 | ||
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| ok I'm playing in a tournament at bugsy club. Its pretty close to the beginning, I have 10,500 chips. the average stack is 12,000. The one whole side of my table played very tight (too tight). The other half of my table played loose. I'm playing tight, but not too tight, stealing a pot here and there. But anyway I'm on the Button and I get 22. The whole tight side of the table folds, and 4 of the loose players call. I raise the minimum. The blinds fold. The flop comes 10 10 2. Flopped a full house. Its checked to me. I bet 800. I didn't bet more because the way these guys were playing was, They limped, If they didn't hit a card on the flop the folded and I didn't want to scare them off. Then all called it left me shocked. Turn comes a blank. It gets checked to me again and I bet 1,500. They all call AGAIN. I'm happy as hell. River comes a 10. checked to me. I go all in. One person calls the rest folds. He turns over 10 9, got a bigger full house on the river beating mine. The only thing I could have done differently was betting more after the flop I guess? But I doubt that would have knocked the guy off of his 3 of a kind he probably would have called with his loose play. I'm just wondering if theres anything at all I could have done differently it was killing me inside lol. | ||
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| Re: Can you get away from this hand?, Allyc, 8. Aug 2003 20:41 | ||
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| Think your hand was shaky all the way. Didn't he have 4 of a kind on the river? | ||
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| Re: Can you get away from this hand?, palman, 8. Aug 2003 20:41 | ||
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| wouldnt the river coming a 10 give him 4 of a kind, thus you had 10s full of twos, meaning any pp had ya beat? best thing you can do is severly overbet the pot and get any A10 or something trapped and forced to get lucky to beat you, if no one has a 10 you shouldnt get much out of the hand anyways. | ||
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| Re: Can you get away from this hand?, Eaglesfan1, 8. Aug 2003 21:57 | ||
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| oops, It went 992X10 my bad lol, I was kind of tired when I wrote that | ||
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| Caution with small full houses, PBG, 14. Aug 2003 12:44 | ||
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| If I had a dime for every time I saw a small full house beaten by a bigger full house I could quit my day job. If you're holding 9 x and two 9's hit the board, you're going to play, hell or high water. The question I have for you is this: Did you ever consider the possibility that you had a second best hand during this hand? A lot of people see "I have a full house- yippee!" rather than "I have a good hand, but it's NOT the nuts" and not taking into consideration other players' hands is the downfall of quite a few people. What's this raising loose players with a 22? I always read that you have to play tighter when loose players are in and more loosely when tight players are in. Please educate me. | ||
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| Re: Can you get away from this hand?, 4 POKER, 9. Aug 2003 02:41 | ||
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| Hey, After there were already limpers in the pot, I wouldn't put in a raise with 2-2 there. If you wanted to call and try to hit a 2-outer, than IMHO, that would have been the better option because basically, that's what you're looking at with pocket dueces....a 2-outer to hit...everything else is overcards and when loose players limp in and then call your raise, it's going to be real hard for you to continue with the betting and/or the calling unless you flop a 2. I would've saved those chips if it were me. But once the flop comes up, I would have probably bet a really big amount or I would have pushed all-in actually. My reasoning is....if you move all-in here, even if you don't get a caller.....the pot was already at a substantial size due to your pre-flop raise(and it wouldn't be a bad idea to protect it here either), and because you mentioned that the players who *did* call your raise were loose types anyway, so one of them could've very well called your all-in bet on the flop looking to hit an overcard, a small pocket pair perhaps or one of them could've also held the third nine, looking to check-raise you perhaps. That's one way I would look at it. If you felt that the 2 nines being on the flop were not danger cards, then you could've checked it along as well on the button and try to induce a big bet by someone on the turn and then move all-in....but I still think that I probably would've either....made a much bigger bet on the flop, or I would've pushed all-in. Very loose players *will* call if they feel they are drawing "live" to an overpair.....especially really bad players! I don't really think that you could've gotten the player holding the 10-9 to fold his hand anyway....not after he flopped trip nines, so I think that no matter how much you chose to bet on the flop could've possibly driven him out, (but your hand was still the favorite against his)...... but I do think that your pre-flop raise was unwarranted....that's my honest opinion. You got a bad break on the river and that happens too. The player who checked the river with his big full house must've really thought that you held a big overpair like KK or AA and was looking to get you (or another player) to commit more chips to the pot because he was in first position and didn't want to scare anyone off or to prevent anyone from taking a stab and betting the river themselves. Better luck. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Can you get away from this hand?, Barry T, 9. Aug 2003 10:21 | ||
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| Hi. I agree with 4. In pot limit, a small pot sweetener might be im,portant to a) make someting useful inthe pot to bet at idf you hit your set. b) possibly get a free card on the flop should you miss, and ssomeone with a hands decides to get you to bet for him. In no limit, this does not really apply. You want to see the flop cheaply, and make money after you hit your set. Tournament chips are hard to come by, and putting them in as an 8-1 dog is not winning poker. Also, you cannopt win the hand. Yes, you should have bet more, but the T9 will still call and river you. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Can you get away from this hand?, Mark Gregorich, 9. Aug 2003 11:07 | ||
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| I think you were destined to lose most, if not all, of your chips on this pot. However, I think I would have played differently at a couple points in the hand. I definitely would not have raised preflop. In no-limit, you always have to be aware that when you raise a pot (unless you are commiting most or all of your chips) you are re-opening the betting. For this reason, I hardly ever make these small "sweetener" raises, because they turn sour in a hurry if one of the limpers decides to make a big reraise. Then, I'm forced to toss my deuces into the muck, a hand which had a lot of value in this spot (in position versus several weak players, seeing a cheap flop with plenty of chips, holding a "surprise" hand). I think your small bet on the flop was fine. You want action. You flopped a full house, albeit the "recreational" version. I would bet small enough that some of your weak opponents holding nothing more than overcards would be likely to call. However, once they all call you, the pot is large enough that you don't want to give a decent price to anyone with 4 outs (their pair or one of the two remaining nines) on the turn. So, make a large bet here. I'm assuming the pot has at least 5k in it now (5 players for $800 on the flop + whatever was in there preflop - $200 ish each?). I would bet at least 3k here, possibly more. Of course, you'll still get played with by the guy with trips, and he'll still nail you on the river. Mark | ||
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| Re: Can you get away from this hand?, greg, 10. Aug 2003 15:17 | ||
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| i personally would have folded the deuces. however, if i had called pre-flop, i probably would have lost my entire stack in this hand. you were pretty much destined to take a massive hit in this hand after you and the T9 already saw the flop | ||
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| Re: Can you get away from this hand?, stdioh, 11. Aug 2003 11:27 | ||
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| I think you made a mistake here...a very bad mistake. Aside from you raising preflop with a piece of junk (maybe if you had 8 opponents you could make a small value raise) you did a lot of questionable things. When you bet the flop you can afford to let them catch up a little, but when they all come along you know that you're going to be paid very nicely thankyouverymuch. You're putting yourself in a prime place to walk away with the tourney, so on the turn it is time to limit your risk. Bet all in on the turn there and take the money. If somebody plays you that's fine, but you don't want to give them any kind of odds to draw. With that many people in the hand your turn bet was very very cheap. Push all in, take the money, and smile. If you were holding the eternal nuts then you could think about a smaller bet on the turn, but your 22 is vulnerable there to overpairs or to anybody with a ten hitting a kicker. There are enough players in there that this is totally reasonable. After all, the guy hit his T, but he still would have beat you if he hit his 9. | ||
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