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 What in the heck went wrong here?, spawgan, 8. Aug 2003 18:59 | ||
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| I had a hand the other night at a B&M. Game was fairly tight 4-8 game. While there wasn't a lot of raising there were a lot players playing hands to the turn. However the hands played were unusual. I was two off the button and had KK. There was several limpers, as a matter of fact I don't think anyone folded yet. One to my right raised and I reraised. 2 of the limpers raise to cap it. No one had folded. Flop can 8-j-3 2 spades. There was checks all around. Thinking there was no overcards I bet, Once, the one to my left and button raise. Everyone calls again. Turn is a king. Checked to me, I bet everyone calls. What the heck is going on here? River comes off a 2 spades. There is one bet before, fearing the flush I just call, the bet gets reraised twice. So it came 16 more to me, I figure there was over 200 in the pot, so i figure the pot odds justify the call. I call and the son of a gun had q-3 spades. He stayed in all that way with a pair of threes and all that raising. The other reraiser on the flop had a set of 2s. I know I did something wrong with this hand I just cant see what. I would like any help. | ||
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| Re: What in the heck went wrong here?, palman, 8. Aug 2003 19:24 | ||
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| A lot of people made a lot of poor bets preflop, and after enough of them do it, one of em is likely to get lucky. I don't think I would have done anything differently due to the betting. You knew he had the flush, but hell I think I would call that as well, against my better judgement. | ||
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| Re: What in the heck went wrong here?, frank snyder, 8. Aug 2003 22:45 | ||
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| Can I ask, what was your reaction ? Did you tell the guy what a poor player he is for playing his hand that way ? I think your reaction is half the battle. You will always have poor players raising and calling on cards they shouldnt be, especially at a low limiit table like 4-8, in some circles this is also called "no fold em hold em". So did you respond like Phil Helmuth would, or like Phil Gordon might ? | ||
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| Re: What in the heck went wrong here?, spawgan, 9. Aug 2003 08:04 | ||
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| To be honest, this casino was on the border of Texas and Mexico (Eagle Pass). The guy spoke limited English, so even if I wanted to tell him. I shook my head, moved on. This was the third hand the guy had played so I had very little read. The guy became pretty easy to read, any time he had 2 suited cards he would stay in as long as one of his suit appeared on the flop. I was able to punish him twice later in the game when he was on a flush draw with like 8-4, I had A-q same suit he had and the flush was made on the river. He never considered someone could have a better flush. I also got him when I made my boat off the flop (was in BB - horrible cards I normally wouldn't play but everyone limped in) and he made his flush. So atleast I learned for later. | ||
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| Re: What in the heck went wrong here?, Mark, 9. Aug 2003 09:06 | ||
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| I wouldn't be surprised at all seeing that play at any table of $5-10 or lower because i've personnally seen it many times. With that many players in the hand, and someone suddenly starts raising on a 3 flush, i would probably fold, especially when it comes back to me at 2 more bets. I was taveling recently and played in a low limit B&M game where many players at the table would routinely chase ANY backdoor flush. There is nothing you can do to defend against this but bet when a blank comes and check when the flush comes. You were only getting 8:1 pot odds to call those 2 more bets, and you had to know you were beaten. I would fold in that situation as anyone who 3-bets the river with a flush posibility on board into a large field will have the goods. mark | ||
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| Re: What in the heck went wrong here?, EC, 9. Aug 2003 22:36 | ||
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| on 9. Aug 2003 09:06 Mark wrote: > I wouldn't be surprised at all seeing that play at any table of $5-10 or lower > because i've personnally seen it many times. > > With that many players in the hand, and someone suddenly starts raising on a 3 > flush, i would probably fold, especially when it comes back to me at 2 more bets. > > I was taveling recently and played in a low limit B&M game where many players at the > table would routinely chase ANY backdoor flush. There is nothing you can do to > defend against this but bet when a blank comes and check when the flush comes. > > You were only getting 8:1 pot odds to call those 2 more bets, and you had to know > you were beaten. I would fold in that situation as anyone who 3-bets the river with > a flush posibility on board into a large field will have the goods. > > mark | ||
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| Re: What in the heck went wrong here?, Swagman, 10. Aug 2003 03:09 | ||
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| other then mucking this hand after the first raise pre-flop, at what time should this gentleman have folded? He was in the game to the river with a good chance of taking down a substantial pot, especially if rest of you were agreeable in making the pot as large as possible if he hits it. | ||
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