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 Help with shorthanded play!, Don Hayes, 4. Aug 2003 22:35 | ||
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| I was playing .25/.50 kill game on UB last night and I was doing pretty good until everyone left but me and two others. Instead of leaving while I was ahead I stayed on. I reset the stat tool and three handed I was seeing 57 percent of the flops mainly becouse two out of three hands I was in the small or big blind. I won 20 percent of the hands but ended up down about seven dollars after an hour and cut my losses there. If I was in the big blind I figured if it wasn't raised I would check and see the flop and if I didn't hit anything fold. The other two guys would go to the river with anything so I could never be sure if they were bluffing, hoping pair of threes would take it or had something. At 125 hands an hour three handed I played a lot looser than I would normally. At that rate the blinds eat up 14 bucks an hour. Should I have bailed out when everyone else left or is there some strategy for short handed play that would help me out in this situation? Thanks in advance. | ||
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| Re: Help with shorthanded play!, 4 POKER, 5. Aug 2003 01:04 | ||
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| The thing with shorthanded play is, you will have to loosen up your normal type game and you'll have to be able to feel comfortable raising with Ace high, smaller pocket pairs, and even just King high........especially if you're only playing 3 handed. High cards are very strong, even more than ever now. But I probably wouldn't have stayed if I wasn't used to playing real shorthanded though. If you think you may be interested in shorthanded games, then start out playing in a game that has 5 or 6 players in it, just to get used to some of the possible differences. BTW........there's a chapter in Bob Chiaffone's middle limit hold-em book that's devoted just to shorthanded play. Try studying up on that type of play before you enter a real shorthanded game....IMO, your results may be better than. Good luck. | ||
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| Re: Help with shorthanded play!, gary ford, 5. Aug 2003 16:14 | ||
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| on 5. Aug 2003 01:04 4 POKER wrote: > The thing with shorthanded play is, you will have to loosen up your normal type game > and you'll have to be able to feel comfortable raising with Ace high, smaller pocket > pairs, and even just King high........especially if you're only playing 3 handed. > High cards are very strong, even more than ever now. > > But I probably wouldn't have stayed if I wasn't used to playing real shorthanded > though. If you think you may be interested in shorthanded games, then start out > playing in a game that has 5 or 6 players in it, just to get used to some of the > possible differences. > > BTW........there's a chapter in Bob Chiaffone's middle limit hold-em book that's > devoted just to shorthanded play. Try studying up on that type of play before you > enter a real shorthanded game....IMO, your results may be better than. > > Good luck. Maybe i need that advice. On Sunday i played 14 $5 SNGs my results were ::: 3 -2nds--5-3rds--3 - 4ths 2-- 7-th 1-- 8th for an $ 11 profit. Not good enough. If I advanced one place in 1/2 of the tourneys the results would have been a profit of $ 51-- worthwhile but still not good enough. If i moved up to $10 with the same results, my profit woulf be--$116 CONCLUSIONS:;; 1. Improve my shorthanded skills. 2. As soon as my skills increase, switch to $ 10. What do you think? Improve and ride the boom---Gary | ||
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| Re: Help with shorthanded play!, 4 POKER, 7. Aug 2003 01:53 | ||
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| on 5. Aug 2003 16:14 gary ford wrote: > on 5. Aug 2003 01:04 4 POKER wrote: > > The thing with shorthanded play is, you will have to loosen up your normal type game > > and you'll have to be able to feel comfortable raising with Ace high, smaller pocket > > > pairs, and even just King high........especially if you're only playing 3 handed. > > High cards are very strong, even more than ever now. > > > > But I probably wouldn't have stayed if I wasn't used to playing real shorthanded > > though. If you think you may be interested in shorthanded games, then start out > > playing in a game that has 5 or 6 players in it, just to get used to some of the > > possible differences. > > > > BTW........there's a chapter in Bob Chiaffone's middle limit hold-em book that's > > devoted just to shorthanded play. Try studying up on that type of play before you > > enter a real shorthanded game....IMO, your results may be better than. > > > > Good luck. > > Maybe i need that advice. On Sunday i played 14 $5 SNGs my results were ::: 3 > -2nds--5-3rds--3 - 4ths 2-- 7-th 1-- 8th for an $ 11 profit. Not good enough. If I > advanced one place in 1/2 of the tourneys the results would have been a profit of $ 51-- > worthwhile but still not good enough. > If i moved up to $10 with the same results, my profit woulf be--$116 > > CONCLUSIONS:;; > > 1. Improve my shorthanded skills. > 2. As soon as my skills increase, switch to $ 10. > > What do you think? > > Improve and ride the boom---Gary Hey Gary, If you feel that *that* is where you fell a little short, (referring to heads-up, or 3 handed play,etc), then maybe you need a little more practice with that type of play. It could've been that you were already pretty low on chips compared to your other remaining opponents and maybe that is why you weren't able to place higher up. But if you feel that you may have gotten a little outplayed when the tourney got shorthanded, than yes.....I would say that you just need to experience that type of situation more often to get a better feel for it and feel more confident about it as well. It will be helpful to you if you are able to adjust to the ones that you're playing with. If they're pretty passive and/or ultra tight, than you should be more aggresive and try to steal more. If they're overly aggresive themselves, than you might want to trap a little bit more and you'll also have to make a stand yourself as to not get pushed around. I don't play in tourneys usually so I'm not in that type of situation too often, unless I decide to play in a very shorthanded Omaha game,.then I can hold my hold. But at hold-em games, I do prefer (and am better at) playing against at least 4 others and up to 6 is fine too. But when I play in ring games, I *do* get to chose who I want to play against, whereas in a SNG you don't really have that luxury where you can just pick up your chips if you feel the game has changed for the worse. I think though.....the more you keep playing in these S-nG's, the better you're going to get at shorthanded play. Just don't be afraid to be aggresive because once they sense that you're only going to play more of the nut hands, they're gonna push you around more and steal pots every chance they get. Show 'em a few times that you can't be bluffed and then hammer it to 'em when you have the nuts. Mix up your play and never let them know where you're at. Switch gears as soon as they catch on to your game/style, and try to put them more on the defense. Don't be afraid to bluff either, but all of that comes from having strong reading abilites. Still play a good game....and if you can get really good at reading your opponents (which is not easy)........but it can happen over time with a lot of focus and dedication.......and if you become a player that is feared, yet still solid.....your own results may be better. I still would suggest that you get some reading material on this topic to maybe help clarify some things for you,but know Gary,....... that being really good at shorthanded play is sometimes more of a "feel", and gut instincts type of poker than anything else because you'll *really* be playing the "player" alot more often than you'll be playing your own hands, and that's something that can't be taught or learned from a book so I hope you "got it in you" to achieve the results that you'd like. I'm betting that you do! Just keep playing and you'll continue to learn if you're really dedicated to it. Good luck Gary. Dave | ||
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