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 What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, Allyc, 4. Aug 2003 20:36 | ||
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| I've been visiting this forum for a couple of months now, and there's been plenty interesting discussions. Now this isn't a complaint, but the ratio of HE postings to 7-stud postings must be about 99:1. I know that HE probably does require more finesse in reading the board and players, but stud allows you to make plays and represent hands in a way that you can't do in HE. Just out of interest really, i'd like to hear views on how the two games compare and why HE is such a big favourite over stud when it comes to topics of discussion, tx. | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, 4 POKER, 4. Aug 2003 23:01 | ||
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| Hey Allyc, I love seven card stud......it's what I played for many years before I even ventured into the other poker games. I'm from the east coast and actually, seven stud is just as common and popular as hold-em. The two games are very different, but seven stud requires a ton of focus because you have to remember all the cards that were dealt out on third street and you also have to remember all the other cards that were dealt out as well,because as you already know, seven stud *is* a game that is crucial in playing "live" cards. I know that when I sit down in a stud game, my concentration has to be there 100%. On-line poker sites have alot to do with making hold-em the most popular game because 1.......it's faster, 2........it's a bit more exciting, 3........it's easier for people to grasp more quickly because you're only dealt 2 cards. It's not as easy to master as most players would think, but.....it *appears* that way and that's why so many of them prefer it. You have to have a certain mindset for stud, (it is more of a slow moving game) and for many.....they don't want that. They want action, action, action, and fast, fast, fast! I tried playing stud *one time* while playing on-line and it was so boring. But I don't feel that way at all when I play it "live" where I'm able to actually see my opponets. There's somethin' about actually getting to "squeeze" that last card for myself as opposed to getting it dealt out to me over the screen! LOL! It really is a totally different feeling. BTW.....are you from the east coast Allyc? If you prefer stud, I hope you have a casino close by enough to play it at 'cause it's really not popular enough with the on-line sites, although you can still find a game or two for the most part. Good luck. P.s. anytime you want to discuss seven stud, I'll be glad to talk to ya'! We can go over some hand analysis and things like that..... 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, Allyc, 5. Aug 2003 15:05 | ||
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| Hello 4 POKER, I,ve played stud online, off and on, for about a year now. My game's getting better lately, but there's always room for improvement. Glad to hear you played for many years, I'll post a question from time to time. And yes, I am from the east coast (of Scotland). Allyc. | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, coach, 5. Aug 2003 03:55 | ||
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| Holdem is much much faster....an old little joke is a bunch of older people playing stud...and before every move...perusing the hands of every other player...holdem appears seductively easy for novice poker players..."no memebering what everyone folded"...and hence usually ensures good players of a good chance to win $$$. | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, timmer, 5. Aug 2003 06:53 | ||
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| you know your absolutly right. you never need to read boards or players in stud. in fact the game so damn simple you can read the paper or the sports stats while playing. Stud Is such a simpletons game you never need to pay attention when playing, ever. I'd love to meet another player who thinks similar thoughs about stud sometime. reply to this post and let me know where you play so we can get together and play some. timmer on 4. Aug 2003 20:36 Allyc wrote: > I've been visiting this forum for a couple of months now, and there's been > plenty interesting discussions. > Now this isn't a complaint, but the ratio of HE postings to 7-stud postings > must be about 99:1. > I know that HE probably does require more finesse in reading the board and > players, but stud allows you to make plays and represent hands in a way that > you can't do in HE. > Just out of interest really, i'd like to hear views on how the two games > compare and why HE is such a big favourite over stud when it comes to topics of > discussion, tx. | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, Big_Slick, 5. Aug 2003 07:24 | ||
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| What post were you reading? | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, Easy E, 5. Aug 2003 11:30 | ||
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| "I know that HE probably does require more finesse in reading the board and players, but stud allows you to make plays and represent hands in a way that you can't do in HE. " ... though I don't know if his sarcasm was warranted here, this is what timmer was reading, I believe. | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, TKarrde, 5. Aug 2003 07:35 | ||
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| Something to add is this, I think it is harder to know when you have the nuts. You may have an Ace-high flush but someone may have a higher one. In Stud the player only needs to use TWO of the cards shown as opposed to Hold Em where they must use THREE or more. That makes it hard to calculate what the other player may have. he only needs two suited cards for that flush, two remotely connected cards for that straight, and you don't even need to see a pair on the board to have the boat. TKarrde "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, LJH, 5. Aug 2003 07:36 | ||
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| ALLYC, HE IS FAST AND EXCITING WITH QUICK RESULTS. STUD IS SLOW AND BORIING. LJH | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, Easy E, 5. Aug 2003 11:32 | ||
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| Disagree here. Also, I've found that I can use aggression more effectively against tighter players in stud, than at holdem, since your board cards are a weapon that they can't use. | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, gary ford, 5. Aug 2003 12:42 | ||
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| on 5. Aug 2003 07:36 LJH wrote: > ALLYC, HE IS FAST AND EXCITING WITH QUICK RESULTS. STUD IS SLOW AND BORIING. LJH your caps lock stuck?? or do you just enjoy shouting?? | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, TKarrde, 5. Aug 2003 12:54 | ||
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| I think LJH has said before that he is OLD, and BLIND, and JUST DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN!!! LOL :-) TKarrde "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." | ||
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| Re: What's Hold 'em got that Stud ain't?, stdioh, 5. Aug 2003 13:24 | ||
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| I love playing both, but the fact of the matter is that hold'em has become the game of choice worldwide. I have never seen any game except for limit hold'em spread at any casino in Canada that I've been to. WSOP and WPT coverage is all hold'em, etc, etc, so new players are attracted to the game. I also find that hold'em has a hight art:science ratio than stud because you can look at the board at any moment and know the "state" of the game (assuming you remember who has raised when, etc) and thus more effort can be spent on learning tells, etc. I think that caters to new players. While stud involves remembering every card that has been folded. Calculating your outs, outs to your opponents' boards, etc. I think for that reason and for the reason of current popularity, new players tend to take up hold'em and thus the game spreads. If I had my druthers, I'd want to see Omaha in every cardroom. | ||
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