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 Hand Analysis, Mark, 4. Aug 2003 19:59 | ||
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| I would really like to see alot more hand analysis on this site, so I thought i would post one of my own. I thought this was one of my better plays during a recent session, but it started a small discussion at the table so.... On a recent trip to Edmonton, Alberta, i was went with my family to the West Edmonton Mall. (If you've never been there, it is HUGE. It takes about 2 hours to just walk through it. There is bungy jumping, swimming, skating, etc.) Anyway, there is a casino in the mall, so while my family shopped I checked out the poker room. As it was a weekday afternoon the only game going was $3-6 hold'em. It was typical for that limit. Too much calling with too little raising. 2 hours into the game, I get AA in late position, and to my surprise no one calls before me. I raise it and only get the BB to call. ( very strange for this table). the flop comes KQ3. BB bets and I raise. BB calls. Turn is a 2 flush jack. BB checks, i bet, he calls. River is a 3 flush 7. He checks. What should I do? The BB was an aggressive player for this table. With his flop bet, i figured him for a King. Since he didn't bet or raise the turn, i can safely rule out two pair or a str8. Since the board King was part of the 3 flush, i ruled out him having a flush. The only likely flush hands he could have that beat my pocket rockets was an AQ suited, Q10 suited, or Q9 suited. But since I'm not sure if he would bet 2nd pair into a preflop raiser, and i really thought he had a weak king, i figure i'm in the lead and will get paid off by a weak King. So i bet the river, he calls. I show my Aces and he mucks. then some guys started asking me how i could possible be the river with all the possible hands out there that could beat me. I think I made a great read on this player and played him. Did i over look anything? The BB could have easily check-raised the river if he made a flush, but i knew he would pay me off with a weaker hand. What does everyone think? Mark P.S. Post more hands! | ||
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| Re: Hand Analysis, 4 POKER, 5. Aug 2003 00:15 | ||
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| You played your hand perfect. If he was as aggresive as you say he was and he did hold two pair, he would have raised you somewhere during the hand. And even though there are alot of possible hands out there once all five flop cards are exposed........you still are only playing against one opponent. It's not like you had 3 or 4 players in with you where holding AA might have gotten outdrawn, so for someone to say to you, "how could you bet the river with so much out there"?, is silly. Your opponent only holds two cards....he can't have everything that's out there! You're supposed to bet the river here.........especially the way the hand was played out. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Hand Analysis, shorn, 5. Aug 2003 05:26 | ||
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| I think you played it correctly. You had shown strength pre-flop, on the flop and on the turn. So, if I was the BB and had made my flush on the river, I would have bet it into you hoping that you raise with your AK, AA, or KQ thinking it was still good. Sure, he could have made a flush, but it is more likely that he had a weak king. Would he have bet the flop with just a three flush after you had raised pre-flop? Probably not. the only three flushes that he might have bet are JT, AJ, or AT, but most likely he would check those hands in hopes of a freebie. You played it fine. If he had checkraised the river, I still think you should call as he needs two cards in his hand to beat you (one of my rules). | ||
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| Re: Hand Analysis, guinnessman, 5. Aug 2003 08:46 | ||
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| A casino in a mall? Sounds like nice planning to me... Until I get raised, I will usually bet AA all the way through....I like your play Guinessman | ||
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| Re: Hand Analysis, Andrew Wells, 5. Aug 2003 08:53 | ||
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| I would just check behind him on the river. With three big cards on board and because he seemed to like his hand enough to get to the river, you could easily be up against two pairs which will not fold to a bet on the end. Lots of players fear a set from the preflop raiser, so he could have checked to you with a hand like QJ. You may or may not get called by a pair of kings with a weak kicker. It's just that even though your aces may be best, there aren't a lot of hands that you can expect to get called with on the end that you have beat. He may also have caught perfect on the river and is looking to checkraise you. | ||
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| Re: Hand Analysis, DallasPokerFan, 5. Aug 2003 09:38 | ||
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| Okay .. here's a hand anly for ya .. I was in a home LL THE game, in BB. Never mind table, players, etc., same 15 players play in this game over and over .. all well-known to me and I to them. No raise, so I played T8s. Flop comes K97, giving me a 4-card flush. Well, the players in this game know to bet and raise when two suited cards come up, so it's 2 small bets, I call, knowing that the book says I should fold. But every now and then, you gotta mix it up. Anyway, long story short, turn is a T .. obviously, not making my flush. Smart table bets and raises, I call 2 big bets .. just to play differently for once. River is a 3, and makes my flush! I know I'm a winner, so I bet, raised twice, called, and turned over the flush! I was against a straight and a set .. wow! One gal got really mad .. not at me .. the table, including her, is smart enough to know that you don't play by-the-book on every pot. Very next hand, I'm on the button, get 46s and play since six people are in. Flop comes A95, two to my flush. Check to me, I bet, all fold except the gal, who raises, I call. Turn is Q, makes my flush. She bets, I raise, she re-raises and says there's no way I got two flushes in a row. River is A, she checks, I bet, she c-raises, I call. She had AKs and another set! Ouch! Good gal, but she had to know I had the flush after I be on the turn. Thoughts? | ||
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| Re: Hand Analysis, Mark, 5. Aug 2003 10:20 | ||
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| On the second hand (46s), I wouldn't have played the hand at all. It is too weak for me even on the button. Also, I wouldn't bet the flop, even as a free card play, becasue your hand is so weak that you may make the hand and still lose to a bigger hand. I also wouldn't want to have to call a 2nd bet from a check raiser. Mark | ||
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| Re: Hand Analysis, Schuster, 5. Aug 2003 17:28 | ||
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| > No raise, so I played T8s. Flop comes K97, giving me a 4-card flush. Well, the > players in this game know to bet and raise when two suited cards come up, so it's 2 > small bets, I call, knowing that the book says I should fold. But every now and > then, you gotta mix it up. This is a fantastic flop for you. You've got the flush draw and the up down straight draw. With 15 outs, you're better than 50% to make your hand by the river. I would have tried to put as much money in the pot from as many people on the flop. > Anyway, long story short, turn is a T .. obviously, not making my flush. This both helps you and hurts you. It gives you extra outs to 2 pair or trips, but also may have made a straight for someone else. It can also hurt if you now make your straight on the river if someone else has the one card to finish it and you chop. It's still worth contining the hand though. I'd rather see this card hit in a shorthanded pot, but multiway, it's not so sweet. > Very next hand, I'm on the button, get 46s and play since six people are in. Flop > comes A95, two to my flush. Check to me, I bet, all fold except the gal, who raises, > I call. Turn is Q, makes my flush. She bets, I raise, she re-raises and says > there's no way I got two flushes in a row. River is A, she checks, I bet, she > c-raises, I call. I think this hand is still too weak to play. Even if you make your flush, you can't be sure it's the best hand out there. I can't figure why she made it 3 bets out of position on the turn though. She only has top top, there's lots of ways she could be beaten. > She had AKs and another set! Ouch! Good gal, but she had to know I had the flush > after I be on the turn. Would have to fault her for letting you in by not raising. No chance you would have played that hand had she raised preflop. I'd smile and tell her it was a tough beat. :) Lee | ||
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| Re: Hand Analysis, Jav, 5. Aug 2003 09:55 | ||
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| I think you played the hand right. If you were in first position on the river, then you might want to check the river if a three flush shows up; but then again that would be an entirely different hand! | ||
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