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 Automatic Card Shufflers, 4 POKER, 4. Aug 2003 01:21 | ||
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| I was playing at The Mirage last night and I noticed that the table that I was sitting at had an automatic card shuffler. It was the only table that I was aware of that featured this and I thought it was great. It really did speed up the game but one of the players there felt that he would rather have the dealer shuffle the cards himself. Any thoughts? | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, Poker_AJ, 4. Aug 2003 02:56 | ||
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| I work as a dealer myself but never dealt poker with a shuffle machine. In a casino where I worked before we had a carribean stud game with a shuffle machine, and the players always complained, although there never actually was a malfunction with the machine. As for poker, I think it really is a great thing and helps to speed up the game. On the other hand, it takes the "personal touch" off the game. Have there any problems with mechanics that caused the casinos set up shuffle machines? I don't know, but after reviewing the tapes on card control, it think it's technically possible for a great mechanic to control an entire deck, even if he's cutting the deck, at least he can control where the aces will be , at the top or at the bottom of the deck. However, I don't believe that this is the reason why casinos decided to set up card shuffler. | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, donrhem, 4. Aug 2003 05:34 | ||
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| At the Ameristart in KC they have a few of the machines. I really like them. It really speeds up the game and you don't have to worry about dealer mistakes. The machines are rented and aren't cheap from what I have heard. That's why they don't have them at all of the tables yet. Don | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, Andrew Wells, 4. Aug 2003 18:44 | ||
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| Gary was on the floor recently (Ameristar KC), and performed an integrity test on table two. Taking a brand new setup he put both decks through the machine and compared the shuffles. There was a clump of three aces together in one deck where the second deck had A 9 A with the other two aces far apart. Another clump of Qh Jh Th appeared in one deck while the other had just the Jh Th together. All the other cards were in significantly different positions from the other deck. So my opinion is that the machines do a reasonable job of mixing the cards. On top of that, each dealer will give a deck one hand shuffle before sticking it in the device. The deck is also cut by hand before the deal. I don't notice anything different other than more hands per hour. The machines do jam and otherwise malfunction occasionally, and the rake box tends to get too full early in the morning requiring colored drops. | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, Lottery Larry, 4. Aug 2003 05:38 | ||
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| 4 Poker, that is one thing that I forgot to mention in my trip report. A number of the rooms have that 2-deck card shuffler. I saw one break down at the Luxor- we played with a clipboard over the hole, not the most convenient setup. | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, Barry T, 4. Aug 2003 05:59 | ||
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| Hi,. Bellagio has three: two at low limit stud, and one at the high limit table one (mostly 300-600 aand up, but sometimes lower games. I really like them. Good for the players, the dealers and the house. As you noted, Mirage has more. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, flintsword, 4. Aug 2003 06:08 | ||
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| Ok, automatic card shufflers are cool and nifty. I can totally understand why dealers would like them (think finger joints ...). I found them interesting but sterile. I really do NOT like the idea of the deck dropping beneath the table out of sight on general principles. Makes a lot more sense for show to have the card shuffler ABOVE the table enclosed in a translucent case so we see the cards being shuffled but cannot read the individual cards or colours, but then you lose the smooth table surface. They are here to stay but if the public accepts it, we stand a good chance of seeing totally robotic poker tables spitting out cards from slots to each player and the flop literally flipping out of the center of the table. I am a big fan of dealers. It is a tougher job than we think. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, Slate, 4. Aug 2003 07:35 | ||
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| Here at Casino Arizona 90% of the tables have them for the ring games. If you see em shuffled or not it makes no difference since its not a house game, the casino gains no advantage. They do however make more money from these since hands can be dealt quicker. I have no preference since on at least 10 occasions the machines broke down and we had to wait 5 minutes for a floor person then they switched to manual deal. All in all I like them and I think they are a good idea. The dealer will always be there since they control the flow and the final call of the game. Plus sometimes you get some cool dealers that really like to talk. Casino Arizona has some cool dealers. | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, MozMan, 4. Aug 2003 10:02 | ||
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| Absolutely! Overall, the dealers at CAZ are the best. :) -Moz "Yeah, I've made up your mind." | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, 4 POKER, 4. Aug 2003 14:13 | ||
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| "Sterile". Good choice of words there. It is kinda like that but it just made the game so much faster. I guess there's pros and cons to all things but I'd like to experience the shuffler a little bit more anyway just to see if I would prefer it as opposed to having the dealer deal himself. The dealer does have alot of responsibilties.....absolutely........but even with the ACS, he still has alot to contain with. | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, e-babes, 4. Aug 2003 07:38 | ||
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| I saw them at the Mirage for the first time. Anything to speed up the game is great, and the move to auto shufflers is a no brainer. e-babes. | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, gary ford, 4. Aug 2003 10:00 | ||
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| They are the next big thing in poker rooms. They increase revenue by speeding up the game, more hands per hour = more drop.Traditionalists don't like them just like they don't like any change , but they are here to stay. Cost =$12,000 to buy, $800 per month to lease. Maybe the poker boom will cause some of these rooms to expand to accomodate the demand. "fuel the boom" gary | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, 4 POKER, 4. Aug 2003 14:08 | ||
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| on 4. Aug 2003 10:00 gary ford wrote: > They are the next big thing in poker rooms. They increase revenue by speeding up the game, > more hands per hour = more drop.Traditionalists don't like them just like they don't like > any change , but they are here to stay. Cost =$12,000 to buy, $800 per month to lease. > Maybe the poker boom will cause some of these rooms to expand to accomodate the demand. > > "fuel the boom" gary Wow........are they really that expensive? | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, TKarrde, 4. Aug 2003 14:11 | ||
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| LOL That is exactly what I was thinking. Wrote up a post but didn't send it. My initial thought was that is a nice used vehicle or a brand new wave runner. TKarrde "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, 4 POKER, 4. Aug 2003 14:19 | ||
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| LOL! Yeah.........a new wave runner! They are so much fun......I like your thinking TK! Anyway.....That just goes to show ya just how much money these casinos are actually expecting to profit from having these shufflers......12 grand plus rent for a card shuffler?......Geez! | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, gary ford, 4. Aug 2003 14:21 | ||
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| on 4. Aug 2003 14:08 4 POKER wrote: > on 4. Aug 2003 10:00 gary ford wrote: > > They are the next big thing in poker rooms. They increase revenue by speeding up the game, > > > more hands per hour = more drop.Traditionalists don't like them just like they don't like > > any change , but they are here to stay. Cost =$12,000 to buy, $800 per month to lease. > > Maybe the poker boom will cause some of these rooms to expand to accomodate the demand. > > > > "fuel the boom" gary > > > Wow........are they really that expensive? So i was told yesterday at Mandalay Bay-----overpriced I would say | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, 4 POKER, 4. Aug 2003 14:53 | ||
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| on 4. Aug 2003 14:21 gary ford wrote: > on 4. Aug 2003 14:08 4 POKER wrote: > > on 4. Aug 2003 10:00 gary ford wrote: > > > They are the next big thing in poker rooms. They increase revenue by speeding up the game, > > > > > more hands per hour = more drop.Traditionalists don't like them just like they don't like > > > any change , but they are here to stay. Cost =$12,000 to buy, $800 per month to lease. > > > Maybe the poker boom will cause some of these rooms to expand to accomodate the demand. > > > > > > "fuel the boom" gary > > > > > > Wow........are they really that expensive? > > So i was told yesterday at Mandalay Bay-----overpriced I would say I would say so, too! But on another note Gary, ......thanks for *always* providing the UPF with all the info that you give us. You're a wise man. Dave | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, gary ford, 4. Aug 2003 20:56 | ||
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| on 4. Aug 2003 14:53 4 POKER wrote: > on 4. Aug 2003 14:21 gary ford wrote: > > on 4. Aug 2003 14:08 4 POKER wrote: > > > on 4. Aug 2003 10:00 gary ford wrote: > > > > They are the next big thing in poker rooms. They increase revenue by speeding up the game, > > > > > > > more hands per hour = more drop.Traditionalists don't like them just like they don't like > > > > any change , but they are here to stay. Cost =$12,000 to buy, $800 per month to lease. > > > > Maybe the poker boom will cause some of these rooms to expand to accomodate the demand. > > > > > > > > "fuel the boom" gary > > > > > > > > > Wow........are they really that expensive? > > > > So i was told yesterday at Mandalay Bay-----overpriced I would say > > I would say so, too! But on another note Gary, ......thanks for *always* providing the UPF with all the > info that you give us. You're a wise man. > > Dave Thank You Dave---knowledge not shared is knowledge wasted--- I'm not real good at hand analysis but I'm pretty good with the larger picture. The opportunity to expand the poker universe geometricaly is at hand, i just don't want us to miss the boat. fuel the boom---Gary | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, 4 POKER, 4. Aug 2003 22:44 | ||
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| Hey Gary, On a more personal note......I remember when you first started to post here and whether you feel that in some areas you may not be as strong as some others may be......you most definitely have been a great contributor to this forum, and again.......thank you. And you're right.......knowledge that's not shared is knowledge wasted. Dave | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, MozMan, 4. Aug 2003 09:59 | ||
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| Hey 4- CAZ started using these at about half of the poker tables (they are testing them) several months ago. At first, I was pretty impressed, but I have really come to dislike the things. They have not been adding a whole lot of hands per hour, maybe 5 at best, and they jam up too often. The dealers have been really unhappy with them, and the floormen are working extra hard, now having to answer calls for stuck shufflers. -Moz "Yeah, I've made up your mind." | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, mrbippy, 4. Aug 2003 16:44 | ||
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| On a side note, what does the average dealer in Vegas or LA make per hour/year? Some men play poker, others conquer Europe | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, DJpoker, 4. Aug 2003 23:12 | ||
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| > On a side note, what does the average dealer in Vegas or LA make per hour/year? > Hey mrbippy, I was talking with a nice lady who dealt for many years at the Bicycle in LA and she said it was not uncommon to make $300-$500 a night on the weekends in tips. The weeknights were not quite as profitable, but still good. At the B&M I play at in Socal, the dealers bring in about $30-$50 an hour. Most of them say it ultimately depends on how many hands are dealt per hour. Needless to say, they don't like slow play. DJpoker | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, stdioh, 5. Aug 2003 14:35 | ||
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| I trust the mirage - so speeding up the game that way is great. If I were in a dirty speakeasy somewhere I might not like it. | ||
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| Re: Automatic Card Shufflers, gary ford, 5. Aug 2003 15:58 | ||
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| on 5. Aug 2003 14:35 stdioh wrote: > I trust the mirage - so speeding up the game that way is great. If I were in a dirty > speakeasy somewhere I might not like it. Dirty speakeasy?? you're not old enough to know about them lol | ||
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