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 Coming back from crappy play, Brian462, 3. Aug 2003 15:02 | ||
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| So I had been having three really good days in a row of patient play and was up $300 on the 1-2 tables. I played today and didn't get any cards which would have been fine but I started to play and call with my marginal hands (QJ, KJ) and ended up losing the $50 dollars I went in with. What is the best step for coming back I want to get back in play but wonder if I am still upset about the loss. How do you handle this best? | ||
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| Re: Coming back from crappy play, flintsword, 3. Aug 2003 15:45 | ||
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| Loosening up in a successful run of cards is as common a phenomenon as breathing for poker players. I feel I am on solid ground stating that this is a basic problem ALL players face. The answer: Discipline. General answer to a general question. You can probably tighten up a bit to counter the loosening up. Now what I say here is "general" because you gave (1) a very low playing limit AND (2) there was very little critical information that would help everyone give you better advice. (eg) Were the games the same, or were there better players, looser players, tighter players, aggressive players, etc in the latest game? Were you losing to successful draws against your hand with acceptable odds or losing to wild players betting anything that moves? You seem annoyed with the loss. You may gain great benefit from thinking about the fact you are annoyed with the loss. Objectivity is a very valuable state to aspire to when playing. Getting annoyed gets in the way of playing. Losses are a part of playing, and the point is to win in the long term by playing the best you can with the cards you are dealt, cultivating good mental habits (calculate pot odds, enjoy the run of cards - hot or cold - that the deal sends you, consider your cards in context of your position, and others well documented in UPF), and keeping cool. Try recording the hands you get toasted on. Note your position, what the limits are, kind of players, what the bets were, and analyze them later. Stumped? Detail the hand and ask the sharks at UPF to comment. I hope my thoughts are useful and good luck in your play. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Coming back from crappy play, Brian462, 3. Aug 2003 16:06 | ||
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| Thanks for the input. The games were the same and I was more annoyed at the fact that I let a bad run of cards tempt me into playing more marginal hands. I also lost with KK twice, AK twice and AA....those were also the only truly playable hands I was dealt. But again my annoyance was more at my self for letting some bad beats change my style of play. Losing is one thing, losing because of my own stupidity is another. After losing do you feel it is best to sit out for the rest of day or do you analyze, fix the problem and get back in. Thanks for the info about going over losing hands. | ||
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| Re: Coming back from crappy play, flintsword, 3. Aug 2003 16:47 | ||
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| Losses are part of Poker: limit them. Wins are part of Poker: maximize them. Learning to play better leads to both of the above. You need to play to improve, so I would say that unless there is a solid physical (cold, headache, plague ...) or mental (depressed, non-objective, negative outlook) reason, ... Keep playing. A short break may be what you need, however, so by all means take a break if it redresses any negative outlook or emotional imbalance you have in the short term. The word "imbalance" is very apt, ... they don't call it "tilt" for nothing! Personally, when a player gives me a bad beat, I smile and congratulate the player. Why not? If the play was bad, it encourages more of the same, which is good. If the play was good, I will be in a good mood and (hopefully) will learn something from it. Most importantly, you don't let it affect you. I have put this quote from Julian "The Kid" Gardiner on UPF before, but it bears repeating: "It's not how you play the hand where you take the bad beat. It's how you play the NEXT one." That said, think also about the fact that part of mental discipline is not letting short term fluctuations affect you negatively. Your aces will be cracked and you will get sucked out on, ... just minimize the fallout. Good luck in your upcoming games. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Coming back from crappy play, chasepoker, 3. Aug 2003 16:58 | ||
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| Hey Flints back ! Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Coming back from crappy play, flintsword, 3. Aug 2003 17:47 | ||
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| It's a hot day ... I can use a fan. Hi chasepoker! Any ambitious plans to qualify for the WPO (www.bugsysclub.com), WSOP (PokerStars), Aruba (UltimateBet), or the PartyPoker Cruise (www.partypoker.com)? I think that UPF could qualify a bunch of players to all of them if we worked on it. Hmmmm, let me think about that one ... flintsword | ||
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| Re: Coming back from crappy play, Swagman, 3. Aug 2003 19:02 | ||
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| Loosing 50 dollars at a 1/2 game is not uncommon. Be careful coming on a winning streak because some players have a tendency to barrel thro hands thinking that their luck will stay the same. Another think to consider is that other people may have had enuff time to understand your game and have adapted to it. | ||
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| Re: Coming back from crappy play, 4 POKER, 4. Aug 2003 00:20 | ||
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| Hey Brian, If you played a solid game of poker for the first three sessions, then that's what you need to do all the time. As soon as you start playing weak hands because you haven't seen a good hand come around all day, is when you're going to start to play losing poker. Not that K-J is a bad holding, but by the way you're sounding.....you probably played less than optimal poker on your last session. Patience and discipline is key and must never be replaced by boredom and/or loose play. It's the only way to be a consistent winner.....for your long term result. So you lost $50.......no biggy, but did you lose that money due to bad play or did you just not connect on your really good starters, or were you just simply getting outdrawn too many times on your big pairs and things like that? That's the thing that you will need to address. For as long as you played your best game and made sound-minded decisions......that's all that matters.....win OR lose. You're probably upset because you felt that you *didn't* play as well as the other three times.....maybe? Or did you play your other 3 sessions the same way and were fortunate those times to be on the plus side? You need to analyze your own game, whether you won or lost for that particular session. If you felt that you *really* did play well the first three times, than great. Just don't stray from that good play that got you the money in the first place because good play is rewarded.....maybe not every single time you sit down 'cause that would be impossible for anyone to achieve.....but in order to have positive long term results in poker, you can't lose sight of the big picture, and that's to always play your best. Remember....having losing sessions is a part of poker as well, so don't feel bad......just keep playing and try to always improve your game and be aware of what your strengths are and where your weaknesses are as well so you can correct them. | ||
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