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 Bullying Tournaments/Ring Games, Eaglesfan1, 3. Aug 2003 10:47 | ||
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| I know in Tournaments theres a lot of bullying going on. The chip leaders get to take a lot of the blinds... In Ring Games its a whole different story... The chip leaders don't bully people around they just play there usual game no matter how many chips they have. Maybe because its actually there $$$ sitting there not just chips. But in tournaments your risking money too. Or am I wrong in Ring games chip leaders still do bully people around? I'm new ;) | ||
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| Re: Bullying Tournaments/Ring Games, MozMan, 3. Aug 2003 10:56 | ||
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| You don't see so much bullying in ring games, because you're not necessarily going to bust someone out by beating them with a big bet. In most tournaments, bullying works because of the freezout structure... they have to be afraid of busting out and not being able to buy more chips. -Moz "Yeah, I've made up your mind." | ||
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| Re: Bullying Tournaments/Ring Games, 4 POKER, 3. Aug 2003 11:36 | ||
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| I think that really depends on who has the chips. If a player is playing in a ring game and has a massive amount of chips and is usually an aggresive type anyway or even if he's just slightly aggresive, but solid........he may just try and bluff a little bit more now because his image has been perceived as winning alot of pots and he may just be able to push the weaker or less experienced players around more easily now. Alot of players do fear the chip leader, especially beginners. But solid ring game players will never get bullied just because a player has a ton of chips. I prefer to go to the game with more than an average amount just 'cause it looks good! I guess it's a mental thing but I feel, hey, whatever works to make you feel positive, go for it. | ||
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| Re: Bullying Tournaments/Ring Games, flintsword, 3. Aug 2003 16:19 | ||
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| Great question, but in a tournament, what is the "practical" definition of a "Poker Bully"? The basic principle that causes the "Poker Bully" to succeed in tournaments is "fear of loss" since your chips (bankroll) is limited. This "fear of loss" increases as the limits increase as a percentage of your stack. Clearly, someone in a tournament that raises to grab the blinds with a premium hand is not a "Bully", but rather a player playing a superior hand with a good expectation of winning. If the blinds have nada, ... they fold. If the blinds have defendable hands, ... or feel like taking some risks, they call or reraise. The opposite is the tournament "Bully" that plays sub-standard (or lowers his playing standards) in order to "invest" part of his stack. I can think of a lot of reasons a player may do this. One reason is the players at the table. If the table is super tight this strategy will harvest blinds. Maybe the table is timid and everyone bolts at any raise. Maybe the "Bully" has won six pots in a row and feels that the fear factor will let him win with 72o and 63o. One thing is for sure, a player with a large stack that consistently raises to pick up blinds implies a player that is raising with slightly less than premium hands. The terrific article by Paul Samuels on identifying the range of hands played by a "Bully" is worth a read again (see below again). The gist of the argument is that as the percentage of hands a player raises with increases, the average value of his threshold playing hand goes down. www.pokerpages.com/articles/archives/samuel15.htm Objectively, a "Bully" is also an opportunity to GAIN chips for the patient player, since they put more chips in play with a hand that could be weaker than someone with higher standards. Keep in mind that some "Bullys" will immediately fold on a reraise to limit their loss. Ring Games is the "land of the long term" and "Bullys" get punished for playing substandard hands, since "fear of loss" is limited to the bets on the table, the bets in play, and the bets expected to come. Players have real bankrolls and are not afraid to take to task a player that is too aggressive with weaker cards. flintsword | ||
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