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 Who is a Pro?, DJpoker, 3. Aug 2003 01:59 | ||
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| Just out of curiosity, who at this forum considers themselves career poker players? By career, I mean someone who plays poker for their #1 source of income. I really enjoy the forum, but still know little about the people. I did see the bios :) I was just curious about who plays full-time because it does seem like it can be a grind. I'm playing about 20 hours a week right now. I could see myself playing 50 hours, but never will due to family and "real" job LOL. DJpoker | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Andrew Wells, 3. Aug 2003 03:09 | ||
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| I've been playing full time for about three years now. | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Roy Cooke, 3. Aug 2003 05:35 | ||
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| Hi DJ I no longer consider myself a pro, although I did for 16 years......I quit to go into business (Not for financial reasons). Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, 4 POKER, 3. Aug 2003 09:42 | ||
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| Hey DJ, I've been playing about 11 years full time. It is a grind sometimes, but that's what poker is when you take it seriously........a job like any other. I don't have many complaints though........for the most part it has been quite exciting for me because I like to travel alot from cardoom to cardroom, but I make sure that I take enough time off to be with my family as well. Like I said before........If you can balance all of the important things in your life, and keep yourself grounded.......a poker career can be a very good thing, too, BUT........it's not as easy as some may think it could be, and it's not for everyone. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, jdsalinger, 3. Aug 2003 10:25 | ||
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| I thought about it seriously since Nov of 2002 and though the money has been pretty good. It's gotten to be a real grind. Plus you don't get any of the 401k, health etc and being young I always get the question what do you do for a living. It's hard to say I play poker as there is still a stigma about such things and it's looked down as much as we'd all like to it isn't. To be honest I'm actually making slightly less than I would be as a regular code monkey at 50k a year but the freedom is priceless. Semi pro would definitely be route for most winning players | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, stdioh, 5. Aug 2003 14:56 | ||
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| Hey. I work as a codemonkey and don't get any benefits - not to mention that in American dollars I probably make less in a month than the average Los Angeles chambermaid. :) But I like my job. I would hate playing poker strictly for a living. | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Barry T, 3. Aug 2003 14:59 | ||
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| Hi, I play professionally. Most weeks I play 25-30 hours at the Bellagio, in games ranging from $30-$60 to $80-$160. I love my job, and look orward to going tot he casino every day. I have been playing for many years now, but my professional carreer officially started 7/1/2001. I am retired from the computer business, and have already resolved my health care insurance (which are critical for a pro, especially at my age). My results are quite satisfactory, and I enjoy the players and staff where I work. I treat it very much like a job, work five days a week, rarely take time off, almost work 6 hours (my poker limit). BarryT | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, DJpoker, 3. Aug 2003 16:34 | ||
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| > Hi, I play professionally. Most weeks I play 25-30 hours at the Bellagio, in games ranging from $30-$60 to $80-$160. I love my job, and look forward to going to the casino every day. > Those are very high stakes. What type of hourly rate should a solid player make at those figures? 25-30 hours of 3-6 would be tough to survive. | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Barry T, 3. Aug 2003 20:05 | ||
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| Hi. A solid pro with excellent patience could likley make $40/hr. He would need to be a bit bette rthan just solid, though. A better player, one with a very good sense of timing, very good at reading opponents and very good at reading hands, might be able to reach the very difficult to reach $60/hr rate. A true excellent player, with all of the above plus great heart, good bluffing capability, and the ability to withstand swings (thus the willlingness to exploit very small edges despite the cost) could possibly make $75/hr, and maybe a bit more. Game selective players with these skills might be able to do a little better per hour, but might not be able to get enough hours in. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Eaglesfan1, 4. Aug 2003 07:37 | ||
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| Before I remember reading someone saying they played 200-400$ hold em. Now thats a lot, what about for those games its gotta be higher $$$ per hour. | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Barry T, 4. Aug 2003 11:01 | ||
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| Hui. There is probably nobody who makes anywhere near $400/hr at $200-$400. Typically, the one-big-bet-per-hour idea sortof peters out at 20-40. Very few 30-60 pros make $60 per hour (though it is possible), and even fewer 40-80 pros make $80/hr (though if there was a 40-80 in Las Vegas, I sure would like to givie it a try). Buit abive that, it gets really problematic. At 80-160, $120 per hour would be terrific. WHen you get to 200-400, if anyone makes even 200/hr (one SMALL bet per hour) they could be quite proud of themselves. The reasons have to do with how tough the games are at the high limits. If you just moved the 30-60 players and told them to play higher, you cold make the one BB/hr arguement. Buit if you saw the high liomit games at Bellagio, you would understand. By the way, in all of this, I am discussing hourly rate in B&M's, On-line rates need to be normalized to B&M rates by using the units Small bets per hand. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Slate, 4. Aug 2003 07:47 | ||
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| Wow I thought the hourly would be much higher. So where is the best poker money? The Tournaments? | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Barry T, 4. Aug 2003 10:47 | ||
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| Hi. Short answer is: for almost everyone, tournaments are money losers. But we are taking this thread in a new direction. I will start another thread to discuss your question. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, ezcheese, 4. Aug 2003 10:49 | ||
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| One big bet per hour is the goal remember??? so in $200-$400 hold 'em you want to be going for $400 an hour... this is a lot of money but it's still the same as $60 an hour in a 30-60 game... | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, stdioh, 5. Aug 2003 15:00 | ||
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| No. It is different. 1 BB/hour is a goal when playing against bad bad poker players. If there is a single marginally bad player in a 200-400 you can see the other 9 players dorsal fins from across the cardroom. I'm positive that I couldn't win at all in a Vegas $200-$400, but I'd be happy to play in just about any 10-20 you could throw at me. | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Poker_AJ, 5. Aug 2003 11:47 | ||
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| Hey DJ To be honest, I am in a conflict. I haven't won big at poker, but over the years of play I noticed that poker has become my main purpose and interest in the word of money making. I chose this definition as my job is not fulfilling enough and my thinking goes around poker almost day and night. I live in Europe and we all know that poker over here is tough because the casinos think they have to rake us blind. Therefore I play online and much rather save my money to fly to Vegas 1-2x per year and play there. I am not married and don't have no kids, so my only responsibility will be about myself and what will happen if I am old. If you play poker as a job you have to consider this as well and not only pay for food, your room and make sure you always have a 20 dollars bill left over for your gas tank. In my opinion, if you have a good job and can keep it and it doesn't kill you or gives you a headache all the time, then stick with your job and treat poker as a hobby or a bonus income. In my situation, although I am a realist, my dream of becoming a free pokerplayer, with the possibility to travel and play all over the world is stronger than ever now. But I believe that without a large bankroll in the 6 numbers range plus a high knowledge of the game this is a dead end road. Also, the limit you want to play in order to make a living should not be lower than 30/60 or 40/80. this is where the real money comes into play and 500-1000 dollars per day as a goal is a realistic target, and with that money we can make a good living, can't we? I am working on myself, study the books, but I am far from that goal to go into reality. Until then I will stick with my day-to-day job and kee building my bankroll. good luck to you, buddy :) | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, Risky Business, 5. Aug 2003 12:22 | ||
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| Yeah, I'm pretty sure $1000/day would define 'good living' for most of us. on 5. Aug 2003 11:47 Poker_AJ wrote: > Hey DJ > To be honest, I am in a conflict. I haven't won big at poker, but over the years of > play I noticed that poker has become my main purpose and interest in the word of > money making. I chose this definition as my job is not fulfilling enough and my > thinking goes around poker almost day and night. I live in Europe and we all know > that poker over here is tough because the casinos think they have to rake us blind. > Therefore I play online and much rather save my money to fly to Vegas 1-2x per year > and play there. I am not married and don't have no kids, so my only responsibility > will be about myself and what will happen if I am old. If you play poker as a job you > have to consider this as well and not only pay for food, your room and make sure you > always have a 20 dollars bill left over for your gas tank. In my opinion, if you have > a good job and can keep it and it doesn't kill you or gives you a headache all the > time, then stick with your job and treat poker as a hobby or a bonus income. In my > situation, although I am a realist, my dream of becoming a free pokerplayer, with the > possibility to travel and play all over the world is stronger than ever now. But I > believe that without a large bankroll in the 6 numbers range plus a high knowledge of > the game this is a dead end road. Also, the limit you want to play in order to make a > living should not be lower than 30/60 or 40/80. this is where the real money comes > into play and 500-1000 dollars per day as a goal is a realistic target, and with > that money we can make a good living, can't we? I am working on myself, study the > books, but I am far from that goal to go into reality. Until then I will stick with > my day-to-day job and kee building my bankroll. good luck to you, buddy :) | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, DJpoker, 5. Aug 2003 20:31 | ||
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| Hey Poker AJ, Thanks for the honest account of your world. I feel the poker bug nipping at my heels daily. You know you are in trouble when you start dreaming about what flop best suits your starting hand. Anyway, I have no intention of giving up my teaching job where I have 140 days off a year. I could never get the kind of benefits for my kids that I have now without paying an arm and a leg. Getting done with work by 2-3 every day allows me to take in a few hours of poker at my leisure. Good luck yo you, and I was of the opinion that $1,000 a week would suffice. LOL. | ||
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| Re: Who is a Pro?, stdioh, 5. Aug 2003 14:54 | ||
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| Wren and I consider ourselves semipros in that we both have day jobs at which we make our living, but we also both play profitable poker in our spare time. When I'm not busy I put in 50 hours a month. When I'm busy I put in less. I'd never want to be a strick "professional" player ... maybe when I'm old and have retired from working. What if I get bored of it or the action dries up? I'd have a resume that looked like I did a long stretch in prison. I don't think I'll ever play poker more than 20 hours a week MAX. | ||
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