|
||
|
||
|
Server Time: 8/20/2008 3:31:35 AM PACIFIC |
 first multiplayer tourney success.. and questions, palman, 2. Aug 2003 18:42 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| I've done a total of about 5 of the multiplayer tourneys, never had much success until today, got 34th out of 835, flopped a couple of sets about an hour in, and for about 2 hours was the chipleader at my table. Unfortunately we were the smallest table chip wise by far, I went about 2 hours without a showdown, so slowly just won the hands where I was the SB and BB. didnt get any action on about 3 KK's, so couldnt advance much. The problem was we were the table with the least amount of chips, and didn't lose many players for quite some time. So when the blinds got really high and 3 spots to left got busted out, they were replaced by players with 3 times as many chips as me. Eventually with the blinds of 1500/3000 and my chipstack down from 17k to 11k due to blinds, I went in with jacks and got busted by AQ. The table was about 8 handed, 4 folders ahead of me, and 2 people with about 40k in chips were about to act. I was going for top 3 rather than just getting top 20, should I have pushed my jacks in? With players with a lot of chips they could have called with marginal hands. The blinds would drop me to 6k in about 4 hands, so I Figured best to act now. What is the strategy in tourneys with about 5-6 tables and your table having the least amount of chips. Most amount of chips? I had at one point 17k chips and someone else about 2 seats to my left with about 15k, the other players all had 5-10k behind me. I could have leaned on them more, be more aggressive, but I wanted to stay in the chiplead and not start getting loose callers thinking I'm trying to buy the pots. All of my hands were in very late position after I got no action in front of me, so they didnt pay off well which was unfortunate.... but it was the biggest rush I've had in a while. Had taken the attitude of poker as a job, but this was just flat out fun. Was about 15th with 180 people left. My general question is when I Was 15th and chipleader of my table..... I could have used that time to switch gears and bully the table a little in hopes to be about double the size of the next largest player at the table, if it didnt work I wouldn't have been hurt too badly since there werent enough people to really throw me out of the tourney in one hand. But my constant fear was with people at 400/800 blinds with 3000 chips, they'd be more willing to just throw it all in with the attempts to double up, thus bullying them really won't work as well. I just think I missed an opportunity when it was down to about 80 players, and the first 70 monied, and I was the chipleader and could have been aggressive. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: first multiplayer tourney success.. and questions, flintsword, 3. Aug 2003 18:42 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| First of all, palman, ... Congratulations! Very good result! 34th out of 835 is damn good. I particularly liked the "analytical palman" thinking about the tournament, plays, ideas to play better, and (most important) trying to think poker at a higher level. That, more than anything, tells me you are going to win one of those multitables soon. When you flopped a couple of sets an hour in and you became the chipleader at your table, you did not loosen up. You instead recognized that you were at the smallest table (chip-wise) and patiently waited for hours before striking. No opportunities allowed you to strike, so quite naturally, when the blinds got large and other players busted, some larger stacks came into the table. This is a good thing because the alternative would have been risking action with substandard hands. That is the way a good number of the 800 odd other players got bounced, ... by playing substandard hands against real strength that held up. You survived. You say, "Eventually with the blinds of 1500/3000 and my chipstack down from 17k to 11k due to blinds, I went in with jacks and got busted by AQ. The table was about 8 handed, 4 folders ahead of me, and 2 people with about 40k in chips were about to act. I was going for top 3 rather than just getting top 20, should I have pushed my jacks in?" JJ is a good hand, but with two players left to act, ... with stacks to indulge their curiosity, ... a raise (5 BB ?) to see the flop is encouraging an AQ to "invest" in the flop. From the way you are describing your play, I will "assume" that you played very, very tight. Unless your opponents are comatose, they have pegged you for a tight player. They know you have waited and will guess that you are going to go all in with a good pair. Go all in. At least it gives them the option of losing the maximum amount of chips (equal to your stack), thusly maximizing their "fear of loss". The idea is that they may elect you this pot (small). Aggression means different things to different people. If the cards did not allow you to bet aggressively, then you should not be looking at your aggression, but rather injecting a few, well-timed bluffs in those dry spells when no real cards were coming your way, in keeping with the "Game Theory" chapter of Theory of Poker (TOP). If you have the full record of the play of the tournament, look for a dry spell of about twenty folds after you feel that your opponents have you pegged as a "tight" player. Look at the hands you got during the time. Any there that are worth raising with to grab the blinds, or worth trying to see the flop cheaply? If your opponents are watching, they will be wary of your hands and you can use that to increase your stack at the right time. 15th with 180 people left means the game is going to get tighter and during that time, you can use your reputation to improve your stack. I think you are right, IMHO. Not "switch gears" but rather stay in the same gear: Raise and you are saying "I have a good hand, so fold," which will be supported by your play to date. Instead of bullying the table, let the table's image of you bully the table. "But my constant fear was with people at 400/800 blinds with 3000 chips, they'd be more willing to just throw it all in with the attempts to double up, thus bullying them really won't work as well." This is a "Glass is half empty, glass is half full" flaw. The fear of loss should be greater for 3000 chip stacks than you with five times as much. Play a good hand aggressively against them. Remember, for you it is a setback, for them they are history. You did not miss an opportunity, ... since the most valuable "opportunity" you have seized is the opportunity to learn from your play. A first place in the future for you is virtually a certainty, IMO. flintsword | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| POKER FORUM HOME | POKER FORUM | LINK TO US | ARCHIVE | ONLINE POKER | Copyright 2002, United Poker Forum |
|
Getting Started |
UPF Tournaments |
Poker News, Views, Rules |
Poker Strategy & Psychology |
Money and Bankroll Poker Bonuses & Promotions | World Series of Poker (WSOP) | Play Online Poker | Poker Odds & Statistics | Tournament Poker | Poker Books, Videos & Learning Tools Looking for a Poker Game | Poker Bad Beats | Not Quite Poker | Quizzes and Polls | Forum Suggestions & Bugs |
|
|
|
|
Interesting Links: Online Poker | Free Poker Games | United Poker Network |
|