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 Pot limit vs No Limit, chasepoker, 2. Aug 2003 16:03 | ||
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| Can anyone clarify for me the main differences between strategy for pot limit as opposed no limit? I guess the main differences occur pre-flop, could somebody just run over what those would be (just to make sure I am not missing the point!) Cheers Chase | ||
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| Re: Pot limit vs No Limit, brandon heath, 2. Aug 2003 21:27 | ||
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| i just recently read that particular section in Phil hellmuths book, which i recommend highly by the way. And of course you are correct in you assumption that the main difference is pre flop. Through what I've read and in my own experience I've found that pot limit seems to mainly let anyone see a flop for a relatively cheap price opposed to no limit where a weak player can negate his in experience by simply shoving all his chips in pre flop there fore not allowing himself to be out played after the flop. Although i consider my self a skilled player and i enjoy playing the flop IM still a fan of no limit simply because of the thrill and the most powerful bluff available. The greatest fault is to be aware of none. Good luck | ||
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| Re: Pot limit vs No Limit, 4 POKER, 3. Aug 2003 23:24 | ||
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| One of the main differences between the two games is, much of your thought process is eliminated in NL compared to pot limit. There will be many times when you could be low on chips in NL and if your holding a pocket pair, say 7-7 for example, the correct play would seem to be, just push all in before the flop. And that is one of the plays that alot of players make in NL.....they push all-in thus removing any and all thought process of what to do now when the flop comes up. If you were playing PL and had the same hand, and someone in front of you bet the pot, well the amount that it would cost you to play those two sevens would be a fairly low price, but.........once the flop came up, if you don't flop a 7 and there is a K and a J on the board....you're going to have to think awfully hard when the player in front of you now bets the pot again. And for *each* street in PL there is a thought process that needs to be addressed. It's not always the case in NL. Another thing that is taken away in NL is position. (J-J vs. 7-7). 7-7 pushes all-in pre-flop.....J-J calls. Once that happens, there's no more position which is a very big part of hold-em. And because pushing all-in pre-flop is a fairly common play for players to make in NL, once that person is called by one opponent, you also eliminate bluffing once the flop comes.....check raising....... and your good position that you held is now removed.....and all that is a combination of ones own thought process in poker. In NL however, taking big risks and bluffing off your opponent is more prevalant simply because you can maneuvar an opponent more with your chip size. Having tremendous reads over your opponents is key to NL, but many times those reads will be incorrect but rewarded anyway, and if you get rewarded just a few times on some "key pots"at the final table in a NL event because you outplayed or misread your opponent and bringing the all-in factor into play again, can leave you with a massive chip lead......not as easily accomplished if it were PL. | ||
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| Re: Pot limit vs No Limit, stdioh, 5. Aug 2003 15:20 | ||
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| Not much difference, except that in PL there is more safety for big stacks being pushy and less safety for small stacks. In that a preflop pot bet won't be enough to scare off the blinds for a small stack desperate to steal with big preflop raises. I find that I tend to limp reraise more in PL than NL and likewise I checkraise more in PL. For instance lets say that I've got a very mortal nuts in NL. Lets say that the pot is T800 I've got T2000 in my stack and I'm against a single opponent who has me outchipped. Lets say I have TT on a flop of 29T with a flush draw out there. In this case I know that I'm better than any hand including an up/down straight draw with a flush draw (but I'm only better than that because of my redraws) so I can shove all in here freely, hope not to be called, but accept it if I am. Now in PL my bet of 800 would be scary because there are a lot of hands that would be willing to call me and there are scare cards that could push me out on the turn. Thus here I might make a trapping bet of T100 looking to be raised or check looking to be bet at. Now if I bet T100 and get raised to T300 there's another 200 straight into the pot making it T1000 T300 to call and a call making it T1600 and that means I can raise that call by T1600 meaning I throw in another T1800 on top of my T100, putting in T1900 of my T2000 and essentially getting me all in. Now if my opponent folds, skippy great and if he calls that's ok too. But I don't leave him any implied odds. In NL it would be easy enough to just bet all in, but against the right opponent in PL it is worth taking a chance of winning less and going for the checkraise or trap bet there. | ||
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