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 Running Bad, Scott Andrews, 2. Aug 2003 14:20 | ||
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| I haven't really responded to many of the questions and things posted here. But I do read just about everything posted on this site. And I have learned much from everything that I have read. I know everyone hates bad beat stories so I will only say this. I have been playing for just over a year and I read and study the game very closely but for the past 6 months or I just can't seem to pull out a winning session. I have taken time off and gotten away for the game for a month or so and reread a few of my books to try and build up some confidence and come back ready. But it just didn't seem to help the cards are still ice cold or I get drawn out every time I do get hit by the flop. I just don't know what I can do I am heading out to LA and Vegas in 2 weeks and I don't know want to be out there with no confidence so any advice would be greatly appreciated. | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, 4 POKER, 2. Aug 2003 14:49 | ||
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| Hey Scott, I'm sorry to hear that. I know it's hard to put that all behind you but, you took some time off, you studied up a bit more, and if you really are interested in poker and feel that you have enough knowledge on the game, then start playing again. There will be so many games for you to chose from when you get to LA and maybe you can sit in a real low limit game just to gain some of your confidence back and get used to playing again. Maybe you have a friend who can help you see things better about your own game as well, as there might be some things that you're not doing correctly. To not have a wining session in six months is quite a long time, IMHO, so just make sure that when you do decide to play again, that you will chose a game that is rather soft so you'll stand a better chance at beating it. Just remember that when you do play, you must be confident with yourself so you can make confident, and sound-minded decisions during your sessions. If you play scared, it will show and it will keep you from playing a good solid game of poker. Booking a win will definitely be a nice boost for you, and maybe you can chose to hit and run by taking smaller wins just to get back in the saddle again, and not go too steep in any one game as that may have too much emotional effect on you right now...........but just keep in mind Scott, that it's the long term results that matter. But whatever you need to do in order to feel positive about yourself and the game is what you should do perhaps right now, so just take things slowly. Make sure you're completely focused on the game and all the players involved, have good discipline during the hand, and try to really make the best decisions that you can make...... and I wish you all the best. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, BigDukeSix, 2. Aug 2003 14:51 | ||
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| This is a tricky one. I have been meaning to do some research into how to calculate maximum losing runs, maybe some of the posters on here can help both of us! The advice I have heard thr pro's give, is to stick to your game IF! you are confident your starting hand selection is good, You have not become a calling station (this can happen, when you start to limp with low pairs, hoping to hit the flop) and any other aspect of your game, you may be starting to doubt. I think you have to just play through it, and try, not to let your table image lack confidence. I hope this is some help, and not too obvious regards | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, mark bartholmey, 2. Aug 2003 16:28 | ||
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| Well, I can tell you I have been running bad for 6 str8 weeks now. Prior to this bad streak I was making a killing. The only thing I changed up was the limits I play. I play real aggessive at times and enjoy playing no limit. Thats why I prefer to play on line. When things run bad you can always find a low limit game on line. As far as staying confident, as long as you know you made the right play for your game, thats all that maters, if they take the pot, oh well, nice hand. Don't get made, be glad those players are out there making bad calls, thats how you win in this game. P.S. keep your head up and go get them.. | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, Dogbreath, 2. Aug 2003 18:45 | ||
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| I would suggest playing No Limit Hold'em at a table (not a tournament) and play very tightly. Only play hands the 13 pairs, AK, AQ from most positions (obviously smaller pairs should be in unraised or slighly raised pots only) and a few more hands from late position. Play the hands very aggressively. Easy strategy to execute and gain confidence with. | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, Swagman, 2. Aug 2003 19:32 | ||
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| Q: When you really know your running bad? A: When a flop comes 9,7,2 rainbow, and you think to yourself, 'dang if that only came on my last 20 hands my 2-pair would have destroyed them.' If im running bad I limit myself to short sessions of poker. I tell myself ahead of time I will only play for 1 hour and I will only bring X amount of money for example. Then during this short span sometime into the game I ask myself am I still on tilt let say 20 minutes. If the answer is yes, then I take my remaining chips and cashout. If the answer is no, I will ask myself how much I have won? Have I won enough to continue playing for the remaining 40 minutes, or should I cash out now with positive results. But whatever the case if I have made money make sure that I leave the table with more then I had come to it with. The idea being to get a few short positive sessions behind me because this really helps my confidence, and also places a control on the amount of money I could possibly lose while running bad | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, Swagman, 2. Aug 2003 19:38 | ||
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| really you wanna know when your running bad. Ok ill tell ya. When your holding 8,3off. And you know as you muck it to the pre-flop raiser MR. AA. that you would have won if you saw the flop. | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, Brian462, 2. Aug 2003 20:15 | ||
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| "When your holding 8,3off. And you know as you muck it to the pre-flop raiser MR. AA. that you would have won if you saw the flop." If I had a nickel for everytime I had that thought... | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, DJpoker, 3. Aug 2003 00:40 | ||
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| > "When your holding 8,3off. And you know as you muck it to the pre-flop raiser MR. AA. that you would have won if you saw the flop." > > If I had a nickel for everytime I had that thought... I'm no expert, but I never care what the flop is after I've mucked. If I've mucked, I just try to study reactions of people who are playing the hand and practice putting them on hands. I just keep in mind that if I play every hand, I will be a long term loser. Having said that, I think memorizing starting hands and position should be done repeatedly, in fact daily. Keep reminding yourself what to do. I give myself a pep talk before every hand. I almost went on tilt today when I lost three hands in a row (trip 8's to trip 10's ---- trip Q's to a runner runner flush ---- AK with a flop of AK9). When I say in a row, I mean 3 consecutive hands that I played, not all in a row. I was talking to myself for quite a few minutes. Fortunately, I didn't answer and recovered to win the next hand I played LOL. Anyway, good luck out there and find that button before every hand. It will help :) DJpoker | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, Swagman, 3. Aug 2003 01:23 | ||
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| Its best for the psyche not to look back or even dwell on a hand when your not in it. But I'm talking about gut wrenching, soul tearing bad runs. The kind when u get pKs and trip to a guy with pAs on the button. Or pAs have lost for ya 5 times running. When you look at a flop like 8,5,3 and say yeppers thats the one winning legitimate hand I would have won in the last five dayz. When you get a bone cuz you actually saw 2 faces after 2 hours at the table. The only money you've made this week was from everyone folding to you cuz your in the BB. From hell bad runz. like lady luck as a vandetta bad runz. You get my take? Those bad runz. Not the BS about maybe pokers not for you...blah blah blah. cuz if u had discpline you'd... blah blah, blah, and pokers a game of utter skill so wha's wrong with your game... blah blah blah. | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, DJpoker, 3. Aug 2003 02:08 | ||
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| Hey Swag, I hear ya Swag. Good luck. | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, PairTheBoard, 2. Aug 2003 21:58 | ||
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| You might want to consider the possibility that poker is just not for you. I've heard that 95% of players end up life time losers. If you are determined to stick with it, be aware of the well known fact that it IS possible for even the best players to sometimes run very very bad for hard to believe long times. Malmuth stresses this in his writings. But, the longer you run bad the more you must consider the possibilty that you may in fact not be playing winning poker. You should constantly be looking for leaks in your game. Are you staying disciplined with tight play preflop? Are you constantly studying how the others are playing at your table? What hands do they limp with? What hands do they raise and reraise with? What do their bets and raises mean on the flop, turn and river? On the hands you sit out you should be able to make good guesses what people are holding at the showdowns. Winning poker is hard work, although the more you work at it the easier and more automatic things become. Constantly critique your play. Could you have gotten away from the hand you called to the river? Did you play that hand too weak? Should you have hung tough against that particular opponent? If you keep working hard on your game AT THE TABLE then you can get through your period of running bad the only way known to do so. You've got to play your way through it and out of it. imo | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, 4 POKER, 2. Aug 2003 22:22 | ||
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| Great post.......very well stated indeed. | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, Swagman, 2. Aug 2003 22:26 | ||
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| Do what I do when i'm running bad. Never look at your cards, and when 7,2,2 or 9,2,7 or any combination therein flops. Raise! Raise! Raise! You'll turn your bad streak around in no time. yep. | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, 4 POKER, 2. Aug 2003 22:30 | ||
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| Just a guess, but have you been tippin' the bottle today Swag? LOL! Just kiddin'. | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, shorn, 4. Aug 2003 06:44 | ||
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| That is a tough run Scott. I am in the middle of 1 month off after a really poor month of poker, so I can semi-relate to what you are feeling. Unfortunately, the only thing you can do is control what you can control when you play: 1. Your attitude 2. Your starting cards 3. Your actions on each betting round 4. The limit at which you play Number 1 is the most important. When in a losing streak, I simply don't allow myself to even sit down if I am not feeling really well (mentally and physically), having no distractions in my life. If anything is bothering you at all, go see a movie instread. I have never had a good session of poker (win or lose) when I sat down in a bad frame of mind. Your starting cards: Tighten way up for a few sessions. Only play Groups 1-3 regardless of position. Yes, this might not be "good poker", but it will allow you to observe the game for the most part and maybe pick up on some things that you were missing before. It also will limit the damage of missed draws and it should keep your overall SD lower. Each betting round: this is extremely important as well. If you are in a multi-way pot and you can't really figure out where you stand, fold. Mentally, you can't handle the suckouts right now- nothing wrong wiyth this...we all go through it. So, it is better to avoid them for your confidence by folding what started out as a solid hand but now looks shaky. After you potentially book a few small wins, then start deviating back to "correct" strategy. IMO, building your confidence back up is much more important right now then playing technicallt correct poker. Finally, step down a limit or two from your normal game. You will generally be playing against lower competition that you should be able to take advantage of. Some players view this as defeat...don't do that. Many a pro player has gone broke staying at a limit at which they flet they could play but they over-estimated their ability. Think of it as Pedro Martinez doing a rehab stint in AAA-ball after coming off the DL. Doesn't mean he still isn't a great pitcher...it is just a confidence builder to get him back into game shape. Anyway, i hope this helps a bit. Play your best at all times and things will turn around. Good luck in Vegas/LA. Steve | ||
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| Re: Running Bad, Scott Andrews, 5. Aug 2003 20:07 | ||
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| I would like to thank everyone who responded to my post I couldn't have asked for a better response. I did go down a limit and tightened up and watched players a lot more closely than I think I have been. And I finally had two winning sessions in a row and have gained some of my confidence back so thanks for all the advice. And in response to another WSOP post: Moneymaker has got to be one of the luckiest people that I have ever seen!! | ||
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