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 NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), Dogbreath, 2. Aug 2003 07:26 | ||
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| I would like to get others opinion of a recent play I had - Do you think it was a bad beat or poor play on my part? I was playing online at a NL Hold'em table with a $.50 big blind. I had about $30 in front of me and I am sitting in the big blind. There are three callers in an unraised pot and I check with 4d 4s. The flop comes 3c 4h Ac. I check for the check raise and a someone bets out $7 and another person calls and the third person folds. The better is a very loose player who sometimes is aggressive, but usually loses money by calling too much. The other caller is a good player. I decide to go all in with my Trip 4s, because I think either they have a pair of As or a flush draw. I figure most people would fold such a big bet for a flush draw and in fact the good play does. I figure there are 7 cards that help me and 9 that help a straight draw and there is a good chance everyone will fold. Well the poor player calls and gets a club on the river to win. Was this a good play on my part? | ||
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| Re: NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), jdsalinger, 2. Aug 2003 08:59 | ||
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| you are well ahead. they are a 2 to1 shot to make a flush draw but you've got a set and are a good favorite to win. I'd actually try to get the other player in and not knock him. Maybe chkraise for another $7. The bad player will call regardless. Since you have a small stack you can gamble a bit and you want more players in the pot especially you want someone with the A in there as they are basically drawing dead. If I have a big stack I play it differently. I've had guys call with a 6 high flush draw for $200 on fourth street heads up with no odds. Online players call flush draws regardless of price. You made him pay for the draw and that's all you can do get you money in there when you have the best of it. Also if another person is in there also with a flush draw and if one of your cards is a club you really far ahead, the key part is getting the other players money in there also. | ||
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| Re: NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), Dogbreath, 2. Aug 2003 17:20 | ||
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| Thanks JD for the feedback. I thought it was the right move, but wanted to a few more opinions on the matter. | ||
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| Re: NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), Andrew Wells, 2. Aug 2003 09:37 | ||
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| You played the hand okay. I wouldn't have risked the possibility that all three opponents would check the flop, so I probably would have bet $1 right away trying to induce some action. Then make the large reraise. You did get what you wanted though, a relatively large bet from someone. After such a bet is called, you really have to make it as expensive as possible. Nothing less than all-in is appropriate here given your stack situation. The pot is big enough relative to the blind size that you would certainly like to take it immediately. You are giving 39:23 pot odds (or almost 2:1) by going all-in, so someone on a flush draw is making a mistake to continue - but not a huge error. If the loose player had a hand like 7c6c and a large stack, calling your all-in is not bad. So, it's a fairly close hand, and not at all a bad beat when you get busted by any flush. Even if the 4c came on the turn with the 5c on the river, losing to a straight-flush holding quads would not be a bad beat because you were all-in. You were a solid favorite on the flop and did what was needed; just an ordinary suckout here. | ||
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| Re: NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), Dogbreath, 2. Aug 2003 17:21 | ||
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| Thanks Andrew for the feedback. I agree completely, but needed to hear it from a couple of other people. | ||
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| Re: NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), LJH, 3. Aug 2003 04:54 | ||
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| DEAR DOG, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN RAISING PREFLOP, AND AFTER THE FLOP MORE RAISING OR ALL IN THEN. LJH | ||
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| Re: NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), Andrew Wells, 3. Aug 2003 09:59 | ||
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| How much should he have been raising before the flop with pocket fours out of the big blind against three opponents? | ||
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| Re: NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), 4 POKER, 4. Aug 2003 03:04 | ||
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| Raise pre-flop out of the big blind with 4-4 in a NL game? That wouldn't be the best move there IMO. I would've initiated a bet however on the flop to reinsure that it doesn't get checked around for free. There was a flush draw out there and there was also a straight and/or drawing to one in the playing zone so I wouldn't want my opponents to see the flop cheaply. I would make a medium size bet (not too big) with the hopes of someone coming over the top and than I would push all-in. But if the player that *does* come over the top has a pretty big stack, and you're low on chips.....then it's really not costing him that much too cover your bet making his call more correct as he will also be trying to eliminate one more player from the tournament with a pretty good draw to do so, and increase his own CP even more. If the two of you were fairly even in chips, then calling an all-in bet by you or even a fairly big bet would not be the correct play IMO. Win or lose......it doesn't mean you played it correctly or incorretly, sometimes you just get outdrawn and sometimes you're the one who's outdrawing the favored hand. | ||
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| Re: NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), Mayo, 4. Aug 2003 08:05 | ||
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| Good advice. I have debated that myself and felt I should have bet the Trips on the flop. thanks | ||
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| Re: NL Hold'em Question (Trips vs. Flush Draw), Poker_AJ, 4. Aug 2003 02:46 | ||
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| there is no question that an all-in bet is the right play. If you don't throw your 30 dollars in in a situation given , when then will you bet? If you lose with your set, ok, it happens, but it's still a good bet. No reason to think about any deeper. What was to be said was said. | ||
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