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side pot .., mandeep, 2. Aug 2003 00:35
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SIDE POT PROBLEM PERSISTS STILL
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I am putting some doubts, regarding handling of side pots in poker games (assume texas holdem), in the form of questions. I have taken imaginary values to put the problem before u. I hope u guys could understand my problem and help me out?

Player A has 200, Player B has 498, Player C has 800.

FIRST BET ROUND:

Player A leads and bets 100 (Bets) Player B raises to 200, Player C calls for 200.
Main pot is created with 500 + ( amount of blinds).

SECOND BET ROUND:

Player A leads again and bets remaining 100 (All In) Player B raises to 200, Player C calls for 200.

Now the main pot amount rises upto 1000. But since Player A has gone All In in this round, a side pot needs to be created for Player A for which he is eligible to win after the winner declaration is done.

<QUESTION here> For how much amount in current pot Player A is eligible to win? What should be the value of side pot to be created for Player A? Side Pot is created for the Player who goes all In or for the players who stay in the game untill final bet rounds?


THIRD ROUND:
Player B goes All-in(98),

<QUESTION here> What would Player C Bet now? Again for what amount Player B is eligible to win the pot? What should be the side pot amount for player B?

<Another QUESTION> Player C was the last player left on table and every body else is All In and river card was still not displayed. In this scenario how to declare a winner? Let me repeat my question again.. If all the players on table goes All-in before even completion of all FOUR betting rounds, how to declare the winner in that case?

Thanks in anticipation.
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Re: side pot .., 4 POKER, 2. Aug 2003 01:27
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on 2. Aug 2003 00:35 mandeep wrote:
> SIDE POT PROBLEM PERSISTS STILL
> ===============================
> I am putting some doubts, regarding handling of side pots in poker games
> (assume texas holdem), in the form of questions. I have taken imaginary values
> to put the problem before u. I hope u guys could understand my problem and help
> me out?
>
> Player A has 200, Player B has 498, Player C has 800.
>
> FIRST BET ROUND:
>
> Player A leads and bets 100 (Bets) Player B raises to 200, Player C calls for
> 200.
> Main pot is created with 500 + ( amount of blinds).
>
> SECOND BET ROUND:
>
> Player A leads again and bets remaining 100 (All In) Player B raises to 200,
> Player C calls for 200.
>
> Now the main pot amount rises upto 1000. But since Player A has gone All In in
> this round, a side pot needs to be created for Player A for which he is eligible
> to win after the winner declaration is done.
>
> <QUESTION here> For how much amount in current pot Player A is eligible to win?
> What should be the value of side pot to be created for Player A? Side Pot is
> created for the Player who goes all In or for the players who stay in the game
> untill final bet rounds?

Mandeep,

Player A (if he wins), is entitled to win the pot in which he put his bets in. (main pot). Once he is all in, whether it's on the flop, turn or wherever.......a new pot is now created for the remaining players who can cover the bets and that is called the side pot. Player A is playing for the main pot, not the side pot. If he puts in $200 dollars as well as 2 other players for example and is all in after that....if he *wins* the hand he is entitled to win the $600 pot (plus blinds and/or antes)...and any betting that takes place *after* that he will not be eligible to win and who wins *that* pot will be determined by the remaining players who are left and who possess the *best* hand among the two of them. Player A's hand becomes independent to their hands meaning those two players will only be playing their hands against each other from that point on.
>
>
> THIRD ROUND:
> Player B goes All-in(98),
>
> <QUESTION here> What would Player C Bet now? Again for what amount Player B is
> eligible to win the pot? What should be the side pot amount for player B?

Mandeep,

If the only players left are players B and C, once player B goes all in for his last $98, Player C can only put in $98. He can't complete and/or raise player B because he has no more money.

If player B beats A and C, he will be entitled to win the whole pot. If player B beats player C but does not beat player A, then he will only be entitled to win whatever amount he has put into the pot AFTER player A went all-in....meaning, he would only win the $98 that he put in and the $98 that Player C had called him with for a total of $196.
>
> <Another QUESTION> Player C was the last player left on table and every body
> else is All In and river card was still not displayed. In this scenario how to
> declare a winner? Let me repeat my question again.. If all the players on table
> goes All-in before even completion of all FOUR betting rounds, how to declare
> the winner in that case?

mandeep,

Even if there is one player left with money (player C), if Players A and B are all in already before the river card comes.....player C is not entitled to win anything unless he beats Player A and or Player B. He can't win money on the river if there were no more bets made.....understand? But, to determine how MUCH player C WILL win will depend on which one (or both) player he beat. If he only beats Player B, then he is only entitled to win the amount of money that was just put in the pot between the two of them, which would be the $196 that was put in on the turn right after Player A had gone all-in. If he has the best hand out of both of them, he will win the whole pot....main pot and side pot. But if he beats noone, he wins nothing. Player A has to beat both of them in order to win because BOTH players covered all of his bets, where as B and C don't have to beat Player A, but if that happens then they will just be fighting now for the sidepot in which they created amongst the two of them.

Simplified.......Player A is only entitled to win the the amount of money that was equally put in to the pot by all players,(the $600 plus blinds), where Players B and C (because they covered all bets), would be entitled to win the whole pot if either one of them holds the best hand out of the three players involved.
>
> Thanks in anticipation.
>
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Re: side pot .., Eaglesfan1, 2. Aug 2003 13:48
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Player A would be all in before the flop. If he bet 100 he would have 100 left. Then player b raised it to 200, so he would have to put the rest of his 100 in to call. So he couldn't lead out betting 100 after the flop... You messed that part up a little Bit.
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Re: side pot .., 4 POKER, 2. Aug 2003 14:00
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on 2. Aug 2003 13:48 Eaglesfan1 wrote:
> Player A would be all in before the flop. If he bet 100 he would have 100 left. Then
> player b raised it to 200, so he would have to put the rest of his 100 in to call. So he
> couldn't lead out betting 100 after the flop... You messed that part up a little Bit.


I'm assuming you were referring to mandeeps post. But even if he did word it incorrectly, the fact still remains that Player A would still be entitled to win the main pot of $600 +blinds if he puts in his $200 and so do two other of his opponents. (whether he goes all-in pre-flop or on the flop, if the remaining players cover his entire bet, his reward for winning the pot would still have the same dollar amount). I think that's the question he was really concerned about, how much $, to whom, and who gets the side pot and whos entitled for the main pot. Anyway.......
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Re: side pot .., DJpoker, 3. Aug 2003 01:40
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Mandeep,
If someone is all-in, there will always be a river card. In your example, once Player A is all-in, he gets to see all five cards. For the side pot, let's say Player C folds when Player B goes all-in on the turn, then Player B would win the side pot, but there would still be a showdown for the main pot between A & B. DJpoker
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