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 planet poker Draw, PokerDude, 2. Aug 2003 00:29 | ||
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| pat boat beat by 3card draw quads pat flush beat by 1card draw boat pat straight beat by 2card draw flush pat straight beat by 2card draw quads all this in one single table tournament i've seen more pat hands (completed) beaten here than I've seen hold up. And most of them aren't one card draws that beat them. I wanna see the RNG at Planet Poker verified. | ||
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| Re: planet poker Draw, Michael Wiesenberg, 2. Aug 2003 01:47 | ||
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| I've had a pat full house beaten by a three-card draw to a pair smaller than either the trips or the pair in my hand three times playing online draw. That's worse than 250-to-1, but it happens. If players keep bucking the odds, you'll see a lot of drawouts, but that's what makes the games good and keeps players hoping. A flush gets beat by a one-card draw to two pair about one time in 12. A two-card flush is about 23-to-1 against. Specifically making quads drawing two cards to trips is barely 21-to-1. All of those events occurring during one tournament are unusual, but not outside the realm of possibility. In fact, they're not all that unusual. During a recent session session, in about half an hour, I saw the SAME player have three pat hands beat by some of the preceding events. Yes, he was steamed. But, again, it happens. Many years ago, in a brick-and-mortar cardroom, playing no-limit draw poker, in one session I had 15 pat hands. Two of them won the antes; thirteen of them got beat. Did I think I was being cheated? Nope. I lost for that session, but overall I was big winner. I've had lots of big hands beat online, but, despite that I win more than 85% of the times I play. I don't play very big, but I win over five big bets per hour at online draw. Drawouts happens more often online because players generally buck the odds more frequently. But I believe that to say one has seen more pat hands beaten than hold up is either an exaggeration or selective memory. I've played a LOT on Planet Poker, ever since the draw games first started. My observation has been that the pat hands hold up about as frequently as I expect them to. I don't think you can draw conclusions from such a short period of observation. Michael Wiesenberg Editor, CardPlayer.com and On Line Poker Newsletter (free newsletters) q@cardplayer.com Go to http://www.cardplayer.com/?sec=newsletter to subscribe on 2. Aug 2003 00:29 PokerDude wrote: > pat boat beat by 3card draw quads > > pat flush beat by 1card draw boat > > pat straight beat by 2card draw flush > > pat straight beat by 2card draw quads > > all this in one single table tournament > > i've seen more pat hands (completed) beaten here than I've seen hold up. And > most of them aren't one card draws that beat them. > > I wanna see the RNG at Planet Poker verified. | ||
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| more nonsense, PokerDude, 3. Aug 2003 22:54 | ||
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| another tourney, 5 more ridiculous outdraws.. someone told me the RNG on planet poker is verified, but i can't seem to find any information on it. Anyway, I don't believe it. Officially Licensed Dude | ||
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| Re: more nonsense, Swagman, 4. Aug 2003 00:37 | ||
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| Don't know why you guyz alwayz complain about the all the suck outs and the draw outs. I am supposing you are talking about a NL tourney. Its the nature of the beast, infact its should be expected and accepted. I can count on one hand the number of NL tourneys that I have seen that went down like text book hold'em. Maybe for a short periods of time, but not the entire tourny. that is why u see players like helmuth get steaming mad jumping out of his chair and crying like a little baby when he gets drawn out, because he hasn't accepted this either. | ||
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| No, it's Draw, PokerDude, 4. Aug 2003 18:38 | ||
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| sorry, this was supposed to be in another thread. i can understand in hold em but this is Draw Poker. Officially Licensed Dude | ||
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| Re: planet poker Draw, stdioh, 5. Aug 2003 15:41 | ||
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| I think you need to play more draw poker. These things happen all the time. It isn't like in hold'em where you only get one card at a time and 2 total from the flop onwards. In draw if you are holding trips and drawing 2 cards to quads you make it much much much more often than if you are looking for quads on the river in hold'em. Think of it this way. You need 1 card out of the deck but there are 3 in your hand, 2 thrown away ... so far it doesn't look much better. But now we're assuming that your opponent is already holding a full hourse (since it isn't special if you don't pull this off) - then he also has 5 cards in his hand that you don't have to worry about. There's 10 cards out of the deck right there. Now you're taking 2 cards at once out of the remaining 42. So you get a 1/42 chance of catching quads with the first one you pull and a 41/42*1/41 chance of catching quads with the second one. That's exactly a 1/21 chance. These things happen. To put this in perspective, in hold'em you have a 1/21 chance of hitting a set on the turn when you hold a pocket pair on the flop. Now we moan and groan when we see it happen, but I've seen it happen dozens and dozens and dozens of times. | ||
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