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 Joint Venture, TKarrde, 1. Aug 2003 10:13 | ||
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| Was approached by some of my friends about a proposition. There is a $15,000 guaranteed tourney on UB this Sunday. It is a $200 + $5 buy-in. What they are wanting to do is get the four of us together, all chip in $50, and use our combined intellect. We would have one person "driving" and we would all discuss the hands and how to play. Two of them are very solid and the third is a gambler. It sounds like fun but $50 is a bit too rich for me right now. Plus I have a worry that too many cooks are going to spoil the pot. Even between the two other solid players, we all have different playing styles. I just can't imagine playing a fluid game like that. Gotsta git a groove! :-) So I think I disappointed my friends but was curious as to if anyone else thinks something like this could work. TK P.S. Would this be unethical? I really don't think so but wasn't sure. | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, 4 POKER, 1. Aug 2003 10:19 | ||
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| Hey TK, There's nothing wrong with you guys pooling all your money together and have just one of you play in the tournament but IMHO, I do feel that it should work the same way if you were playing in a "live" tournament.......one player to a hand. Sure, if it was live you could discuss the hand/s after the hand is over by going to the rail for a minute or two, but during the hand, it should be just one player playing the hand with no outside influence. Pick the strongest player and trust his judgement. Not to mention, he'll be able to focus more on the game if there's not too many of you telling him what to do,no? It's just my opinion....good luck Steve. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, 4 POKER, 1. Aug 2003 10:54 | ||
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| Hey, I just noticed that you said you weren't going to do this!! I think that's the best move, I really do TK. Good for you. | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, JohnnyG113, 1. Aug 2003 10:24 | ||
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| Have you ever seen Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels? | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, TKarrde, 1. Aug 2003 10:39 | ||
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| Uh... no. TKarrde "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, JohnnyG113, 1. Aug 2003 10:43 | ||
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| on 1. Aug 2003 10:39 TKarrde wrote: > Uh... no. > > TKarrde > > "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." Just giving you a hard time, these 4 guys all go in with a bunch of money and have one of them play in a big money game and of course it goes all wrong and they lose everything. | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, Dr_Monkey, 1. Aug 2003 11:12 | ||
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| on 1. Aug 2003 10:43 JohnnyG113 wrote: > on 1. Aug 2003 10:39 TKarrde wrote: > > Uh... no. > > > > TKarrde > > > > "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." > > Just giving you a hard time, these 4 guys all go in with a bunch of money and have one of them > play in a big money game and of course it goes all wrong and they lose everything. That was Lock, Stock, and two smoking barrels? I thought that movie was about a plan by 4 guys to steal from their neighbors that were bookies or drug dealers. They end up get to expensive shot guns. (lock stock and 2 smoking barrels...) Don't remember anything about a money game. | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, Schuster, 1. Aug 2003 11:17 | ||
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| Yeah, the reason they needed to steal the money was because the guy went in for more than he had at the big money game at the beginning. 3 card brag is NOT played table stakes, and he needed to come up with a few hundred grand to avoid the mob boss taking him out, thus the stealing. Lee | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, chasepoker, 2. Aug 2003 06:29 | ||
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| They play 3 card brag and he loses about £1/4 million !!! One of the best films ever i urge all you shermans to watch it. Very very funny film, a right bubble me old china plates. > That was Lock, Stock, and two smoking barrels? I thought that movie was about a plan by 4 guys to > steal from their neighbors that were bookies or drug dealers. They end up get to expensive shot > guns. (lock stock and 2 smoking barrels...) Don't remember anything about a money game. Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, TKarrde, 4. Aug 2003 07:16 | ||
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| Those Brits do have the most peculiar bit of humor. But you gotta love it. TKarrde "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, ranwel, 1. Aug 2003 10:47 | ||
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| I think that passing on that opportunity is a goot play. Congrats on your honor. Only you can give yourself that gift. Poker is NOT a team sport. ranwel | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, TKarrde, 1. Aug 2003 10:56 | ||
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| Thanks but... I don't think you read it right. I didn't back out because I thought it was WRONG. I backed out because it was too much $$ and looked like a train wreck waiting to happen. I'm still not sure it is unethical. Internet poker is not the same as b&m poker, as much as we want it to be. There isn't anything that says you can't have a buddy over your shoulder with whom you discuss the hand. Obviously you can try and push the b&m standards on the internet game. But is that realistic. Again, I didn't say I was for or against it. But it is something to think about. TKarrde "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, 4 POKER, 1. Aug 2003 11:08 | ||
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| TK, When you spoke of "too many cooks spoiling the pot" and that you all have different playing styles is a *key* reason why you wouldn't want to get involved with it. Go with your first feeling on this......it makes the most sense.I know you said it was also a matter of money for the buy-in, but you are right....too many cooks will spoil the pot! Ethical or unethical.......I think you already know that even if you did decide to go along with it and were to discuss the hands with 4 different opinions, it wouldn't work out as optimally as it would if there was just one of you playing their best with complete focus. Dave | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, ranwel, 1. Aug 2003 12:06 | ||
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| Agreed, A camel is a horse designed by a committee. And again, poker is not a team sport. If they want to look at it as an investment venture, then they should pool their monies together and 'back' a 'name' in a really big toruny. Their risk would be lower, and the and the chances of profit greatly improved. My two cents, and, keep the change. ranwel | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, Dr_Monkey, 1. Aug 2003 11:15 | ||
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| Maybe you and your friends can have a mini tournament to see who will play in the big tournament. Each put up your share, play a 4 handed tournament, either live or online. Winner gets to play in the $200 tourney and any winnings are divided equally. May the best player play in the real tourney... | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, palman, 1. Aug 2003 11:31 | ||
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| I've sat with players and played and discussed my mindset with them in an attempt to teach them some things. Although I don't think this violates the one player to a hand rule because I'm doing all the action, and they wouldnt know enough about poker for me to really change my strategy... more for just teaching them. I PERSONALLY wouldnt have a problem playing against people who did this, although I could easily see why others would. | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, stdioh, 1. Aug 2003 13:15 | ||
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| I don't think that it is unethical for your to crowd around a tournament and play one seat. I do think that it is inadvisable though, since you are doubtless going to disagree on a way to play a hand. This means that whoever ends up being "right" by virtue of results will be mad at whoever is "wrong" and there will be blame going around when you more than likely bust out. Why don't you just play a $50 buy in tourney by yourself? | ||
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| Re: Joint Venture, LJH, 2. Aug 2003 09:27 | ||
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| TK, IT AN UNSUITABLE VENTURE. WHAT HAPPENS IF 3 SAY ONE WAY AND THE DRIVER GOES HIS WAY. IT ALSO TAKES TO MUCH TIME TO DECIDE. LJH | ||
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