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 I made a Boo-Boo, Roy Cooke, 31. Jul 2003 07:00 | ||
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| I screwed up!.......A player limped....Another player called........I raised with 88.....The button called and the big blind called.........The opening limper raised the pre-flop bet to three bets....Generally passive, I put him on a huge hand. The flop came K-6-4 with two diamonds. The limper led, but only had $60 left after betting...the player in-between us called....I flat called....Having my mind set on him having a group 1 hand (of which I could beat none of)....The button overcalled.....A ten came on the turn and he checked....I bet, the button called and an Ace hit on the river....I checked and the button checked AQ and won the pot with two aces.... I know to protect big pots if I MAY have the best hand....But I got brainstuck (new word) on a thought....If I would have taken more time and thought about it .....I think I would have made a different decision Baaaaaad playing!!!!!!! Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, Guru, 31. Jul 2003 07:34 | ||
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| I find it odd that a fully grown, professional poker player would use the term "boo-boo" in a post, but hey, it's all about being young at heart, isn't it Roy? :- ) I try to live the mantra. You know, we all try push a hand too far sometimes. I actually find myself not getting too mad when I get busted overplaying a marginal hand like that because I figure I deserve it and it's a reminder to me that I need to stick with good, solid poker at the table. No mistake is a complete waste as long as we learn a lesson from it. Remember... "To err is human, but to really screw up requires a computer." Guru | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, Roy Cooke, 31. Jul 2003 09:10 | ||
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| I have children :-) Roy Cooke on 31. Jul 2003 07:34 Guru wrote: > I find it odd that a fully grown, professional poker player would use the term > "boo-boo" in a post, but hey, it's all about being young at heart, isn't it Roy? :- ) > I try to live the mantra. > > You know, we all try push a hand too far sometimes. I actually find myself not > getting too mad when I get busted overplaying a marginal hand like that because I > figure I deserve it and it's a reminder to me that I need to stick with good, solid > poker at the table. No mistake is a complete waste as long as we learn a lesson from > it. > > Remember... "To err is human, but to really screw up requires a computer." > > Guru | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, TKarrde, 1. Aug 2003 14:16 | ||
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| As long as you don't do like I do and catch yourself telling your friends or co-workers that "I have to go to the potty". Unfortunately it just comes out to natural. TKarrde "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, 4 POKER, 1. Aug 2003 14:32 | ||
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| LOL.........you're too much TK! | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, Roy Cooke, 1. Aug 2003 15:11 | ||
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| Yeah....I do that stuff and I tell business co-worker bye-bye :-) Roy Cooke ] on 1. Aug 2003 14:16 TKarrde wrote: > As long as you don't do like I do and catch yourself telling your friends or co-workers that "I > have to go to the potty". Unfortunately it just comes out to natural. > > TKarrde > > "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, jdsalinger, 31. Jul 2003 08:54 | ||
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| I don't think the turn check wasn't a really big boo boo but I would have raised the flop to see where I was. I mean someone with AK shortstacked surely would reraise on the flop on such a raggy flop. No person would be in there with K6,K4 or really 46. If he just calls the raise on the flop I'm more inclined to bet the turn but probably check if another player or 2 call. If he reraises it I'm gone because I'm like a 9 to 1 to hit a set now or I maybe drawing dead. With the 10 hitting the turn it's tough to bet 8's and someone 3 betting the flop from early position would just as easily call the turn regardless. Especially the shortstacked guys who have the defeatist attitude. Do you know if anyone had a 10? I probably would have checked the turn also but I'd like to get a little more info on the flop. Though I don't play pairs 22-JJ in limit play here in socal. Too many players come in and are ultra aggressive. Gives everyone odds to outdraw me and all hands go to the river even in the 20/40 games. or you can be bluffed with my low and mid pairs | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, ezcheese, 31. Jul 2003 09:16 | ||
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| I think I would've folded the 88 pre-flop when it was 3-bets to me... depends on how loose the game was. | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, stdioh, 31. Jul 2003 13:08 | ||
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| No! When you have already put in 2 bets as have everybody else, you very much have pot odds to try to hit a set there. This would be a very very bad fold. | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, Andrew Wells, 31. Jul 2003 19:45 | ||
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| It's very hard to raise on the flop representing a king when you play a hand passively before the flop. | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, Roy Cooke, 1. Aug 2003 04:22 | ||
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| I agree JD....I should have raised the flop...It was a mistake that cost me the pot....and mistakes that cost you the pot are VERY costly mistakes! Roy Cooke on 31. Jul 2003 08:54 jdsalinger wrote: > I don't think the turn check wasn't a really big boo boo but I would have raised the > flop to see where I was. I mean someone with AK shortstacked surely would reraise on > the flop on such a raggy flop. No person would be in there with K6,K4 or really 46. > If he just calls the raise on the flop I'm more inclined to bet the turn but probably > check if another player or 2 call. If he reraises it I'm gone because I'm like a 9 to > 1 to hit a set now or I maybe drawing dead. With the 10 hitting the turn it's tough > to bet 8's and someone 3 betting the flop from early position would just as easily > call the turn regardless. Especially the shortstacked guys who have the defeatist > attitude. Do you know if anyone had a 10? I probably would have checked the turn > also but I'd like to get a little more info on the flop. Though I don't play pairs > 22-JJ in limit play here in socal. Too many players come in and are ultra > aggressive. Gives everyone odds to outdraw me and all hands go to the river even in > the 20/40 games. or you can be bluffed with my low and mid pairs | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, Snorbolus, 31. Jul 2003 10:30 | ||
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| Roy, What do you think your boo-boo was? I would have folded 88 to the bet and call on that flop for sure. But I get the impression from your post that you might be more about raising there. What type of hand do you now put the limp-reraiser on? JJ is possible, I guess AJs is also possible. It doesn't seem likely that he had a king or a ten because of his check-call on the turn, but I don't see how you could have known that on the flop. Why did you decide to bet the turn? Presumably you thought that your 8s were good but again I am not sure why, especially with all the other callers. Snorblus on 31. Jul 2003 07:00 Roy Cooke wrote: > I screwed up!.......A player limped....Another player called........I raised > with 88.....The button called and the big blind called.........The opening > limper raised the pre-flop bet to three bets....Generally passive, I put him on > a huge hand. > > The flop came K-6-4 with two diamonds. The limper led, but only had $60 left > after betting...the player in-between us called....I flat called....Having my > mind set on him having a group 1 hand (of which I could beat none of)....The > button overcalled.....A ten came on the turn and he checked....I bet, the button > called and an Ace hit on the river....I checked and the button checked AQ and > won the pot with two aces.... > > I know to protect big pots if I MAY have the best hand....But I got brainstuck > (new word) on a thought....If I would have taken more time and thought about it > .....I think I would have made a different decision > > Baaaaaad playing!!!!!!! > > Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, Andrew Wells, 31. Jul 2003 19:47 | ||
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| Yes, it's the bet on the turn that I'm wondering about too. | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, LJH, 31. Jul 2003 11:00 | ||
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| ROY, WHEN PLAYING AGAINST NUMBSKULLS,HOW CAN YOU DETERMINE ANYTHING. IF THE GUY DOESN'T RAISE TO PROTECT HIS HAND, THEN YOU CAN BELIEVE HE DOES NOT HAVE IT. TRY PLAYING MORE WITH EXPERTS AND THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN TO YOU. LJH | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, stdioh, 31. Jul 2003 13:07 | ||
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| Roy. I'm curious as to why you raised there with your 88 ... that's the sort of hand that I want to play either heads up or against 4+ opponents as I either want a chance of it being good unimproved or odds to hit my set. Why raise and try to fold off the button and blinds? I understand the value of deception, but this seems to be taking things a bit far. Especially since if you hit your set you don't want people putting you on a premium hand and being unwilling to play you. | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, dan, 1. Aug 2003 03:26 | ||
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| Should have raised after the flop to 1) see where everyone else is at and 2)represent the AK which migh definitely have scared off the AQ. I figure if you are going to raise before the flop, then represent that best hand that you might have...you could have raised back before the flop but the #1 thing I would have done was raise the flop bet. | ||
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| Re: I made a Boo-Boo, Roy Cooke, 1. Aug 2003 04:19 | ||
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| I agree....I screwed up.....The reason I should have raised the flop is because the pre-flop raiser was close to all-in...Many times players raise just to get it all-in...I missed this thought during the play of the hand! Roy Cooke on 1. Aug 2003 03:26 dan wrote: > Should have raised after the flop to 1) see where everyone else is at and 2)represent > the AK which migh definitely have scared off the AQ. > > I figure if you are going to raise before the flop, then represent that best hand > that you might have...you could have raised back before the flop but the #1 thing I > would have done was raise the flop bet. | ||
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| Responce to: I made a Boo-Boo, Roy Cooke, 1. Aug 2003 04:38 | ||
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| Hello all I do not think it was an error to raise pre-flop.....I had two limpers and I WANTED to fold the button and the blinds......If I took the hand three handed with position getting 3 2/3-1 pre-flop that is a good spot. If either of my opponents have an underpair, undercard or a matching card (with each other or me) I am in great shape and if they both have overcards I am in OK shape....the only time I am in bad shape on that bet is if I am against an overpair. I should have raised the flop....The caller in-between us did not have a KIng....the pre-flop three bettor may very well have just been going all-in.....The pot was big and I did not make the play that increased my chances of winning it....When the pot is large and you can make a play that increases your chances of winning it...That play is generally correct. Small percentage increases in winning in large pots have a lot of value.... So even if you are taking some risk of losing an extra bet(s)...If the pot is large and the percentage increase is not miniscule...then make the play that increases your chances of winning. Roy Cooke on 31. Jul 2003 07:00 Roy Cooke wrote: > I screwed up!.......A player limped....Another player called........I raised > with 88.....The button called and the big blind called.........The opening > limper raised the pre-flop bet to three bets....Generally passive, I put him on > a huge hand. > > The flop came K-6-4 with two diamonds. The limper led, but only had $60 left > after betting...the player in-between us called....I flat called....Having my > mind set on him having a group 1 hand (of which I could beat none of)....The > button overcalled.....A ten came on the turn and he checked....I bet, the button > called and an Ace hit on the river....I checked and the button checked AQ and > won the pot with two aces.... > > I know to protect big pots if I MAY have the best hand....But I got brainstuck > (new word) on a thought....If I would have taken more time and thought about it > .....I think I would have made a different decision > > Baaaaaad playing!!!!!!! > > Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: Responce to: I made a Boo-Boo, stdioh, 1. Aug 2003 14:12 | ||
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| Yes, you have a reasonable chance of your 8's being good on the flop against two opponents with overcards, but the problem is that you won't know where you stand in the hand. What happens now if one of the players bets at you now? Far be it from me to criticize your play Roy, because you are a giant in the field and I am at best an alsoran, but I just don't see the value of playing this 3-handed *and* spending a small bet to get there. Perhaps I should just chalk it up to stylistic difference in play. | ||
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| Re: Responce to: I made a Boo-Boo, 4 POKER, 1. Aug 2003 14:21 | ||
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| No, that's a very valid point you made. The raise he made pre-flop was justified in thinking that he wanted to fold off the button and eliminate the blinds, but he does have to consider the fact that what if someone bets into him on the flop? Does he call....raise? I think once you get a few callers and they're showing interest in the flop, if one of them has a King, there not going anywhere *unless* they have a great deal of respect for his game. But at least he gave himself a *chance* to win it right on the flop. Ya gotta love it when someone holds AQ.....flops nothing.....calls another bet on the turn and then CHECKS the river after the inital bettor (Roy) checks it to him now after hitting one of their very best cards...the Ace! | ||
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