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 Evolution of a Poker player, Brian462, 29. Jul 2003 10:12 | ||
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| I have been playing poker for about three weeks now. During this time I have seen an incredible jump in my game as far as which hands I go in on and how I bet them. As a result I have also seen a increase in a winnings. I started at the 1-2 table, played 2-4 for about a week and have moved up to the 3-6. My bank roll has increased from $50 to $300. My question is I feel like I am at a road block as far how to improve my game which needs a lot of work. Does anyone have any suggestions on things I should be working on and what should I look for to know that I am getting better. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, LEEBOG, 29. Jul 2003 10:26 | ||
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| bigger stakes, those very low limit games are just crapshoots. Try moving up to 5-10 (even though its loose as well), but at least it takes a little bit of thinking. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, Jav, 29. Jul 2003 10:41 | ||
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| I wouldn't send someone who has been playing poker for only a couple weeks to the $5-$10 tables!! The first thing you need to do is pick up a couple poker books if you havne't already read them. I would suggest Lee Jones "How to win at Low Limit Holdem", and Sklansky's "Holdem Poker" and "Holdem Poker for Advanced Players". If you really have only been playing for several weeks, I would be very careful about projecting your current winnings out over a longer period of time. Poker has a lot of variance in it's results. I would suggest playing as much as you can, and reading as much as you can about the game. The more you play and the more you understand correct strategy (and how you and other players might employ it), the more consistent you can get your results to be. Good luck and keep reading these forums. They are also a great way to improve your game! | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, Big_Slick, 29. Jul 2003 10:46 | ||
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| moving up to 5-10 = losing your bankroll in one day | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, stdioh, 29. Jul 2003 10:37 | ||
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| Don't pay too much attention to your win rate going up. 3 weeks is nothing in poker and noise is going to be stronger than signal at this point. Good to hear that you are tightening up though. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, Jav, 29. Jul 2003 10:43 | ||
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| "noise is going to be stronger than signal" Lol, I'm reading this forum to avoid doing work! Don't sneak in signal processing analogies, it will just remind me to get back to work! | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, stdioh, 29. Jul 2003 16:12 | ||
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| Heheh...careful or I'll run a fast fourier transform on your record book :P | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, Brian462, 29. Jul 2003 10:54 | ||
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| Thanks I will definently read get those books as I have finished Caro's site. Has anyone joined the online poker university and have you found it helpful. As far as moving up I feel like I am at my match with the 3-6 right now, I usually break even and went up 100 an one night because of some really great flops. I think I did well at the lower limit tables only because I am so much more selective about the hands I go in with than the majority of the players. One problem I usually have is when I get a set flop even though I check the first round when I bet on 4th I still usually don't get a ton of action. I am hesitant to check twice and only bet on 5th. Has anyone had any experience with this? | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, Jav, 29. Jul 2003 11:19 | ||
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| How to play a set depends a lot on your opponents, what the rest of the flop contains, and how the betting went pre-flop. Generally it's a bad idea to slowplay a set, unless the flop is very unorganized (no straight or flush draws showing). It can be correct to slowplay the set if the flop is unorganized and you feel everyone would fold if you bet. (Generally if there was any raising pre-flop this won't be true). But I would worry more about making sure people who might draw out on you with a flush or a straight don't pick up a draw on fourth street that might let the suck out on you on the river than I would about folding everyone off. Even small wins add up. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, ezcheese, 29. Jul 2003 11:02 | ||
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| You moved up pretty fast and my only concern is that you are getting hit in the head with the deck right now and are giving yourself more credit than is deserved... If, however, you are just a natural at poker then the only thing you need to do (besides continue to read books and forums) is experience, which nothing can give you but playing. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, Brian462, 29. Jul 2003 11:30 | ||
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| Oh don't get me wrong I am not "good" there are just a lot of really bad players and I am good at not letting myself make mistakes. But I have a ton to learn. I would say I am good enough to know how bad I am. Which is something. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, spartan51, 29. Jul 2003 11:41 | ||
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| This reply is coming from someone you has moved up through the limits as well. (.50-1.00 to now $3/$6) However, I did this over a six month time period. (over 60,000 hands) I wanted to defintiely prove to myself that I could beat the present game I was in before moving up. My suggestions(for what they are worth): Start keeping extensive records of your play. Play longer at the lower limits and prove that you can be a winner over a longer period of time. I say this because I don't feel that you have the proper bankroll to play at the $3/$6 level. $ 300 could be just two average losing sessions at $3/$6. Coventional wisdom is that your bankroll should be 300 times the big bet to sustain any variance in your game. Good Luck. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, DJpoker, 29. Jul 2003 15:43 | ||
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| > Oh don't get me wrong I am not "good" there are just a lot of really bad players and I am good at not letting myself make mistakes. But I have a ton to learn. I would say I am good enough to know how bad I am. Which is something. The first step is admitting you have a problem LOL. Seriously, $300 is not that much of a bankroll. In a 3-6 game with good action, you could lose that in a night. I'm not saying you will, but there is a distinct possibility of being 2nd best on some nights. It sounds like you are making decent game selections. As some other people stated, be sure to read some low limit books before doing anything else. You can read Lee Jones' book or Ken Warren's book in a night. They also have solid rankings and percentages of starting hands to play; which is always important, but becomes even more so as you move up in levels. Good luck and keep playing solid cards. DJpoker | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, palman, 29. Jul 2003 14:11 | ||
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| Just to add what a few others have said: Your bankroll is too low for 3/6, probably even 2/4. Now when you say your "bankroll" if thats just what you have online now and have no problems depositing more , then that's fine. but if you're just playing with that 300 I'd stick to 1/2 , and if you beat it just keep beating it until your bankroll is sufficient. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, beigs, 29. Jul 2003 15:48 | ||
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| I found tournaments a good way to get a lot of hands in cheap. And good practice for reading players and trying some more advanced strategies (which don't really work against lower limit ring games.) And if you win, you have a bankroll. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, noiseboy, 29. Jul 2003 16:18 | ||
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| Even if you are a good, you should have around $1800 if not to play 3-6. Unfortunately, swings do come, and sometimes they last for weeks. Anyway, I've made the mistake in the past of playing above my bankroll, I had to learn the hard way. You can heed my warning, or learn the hard way yourself. I don't mean to be all doom and gloom on you, but when you are on a really bad streak of cards, you'd be surprised at how fast it can decimate your bankroll when it lasts for several sessions in a row. Keep in mind that if you play long enough, it's a mathematical certainty that you will run into a bad streak. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, noiseboy, 29. Jul 2003 16:20 | ||
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| BTW, congrats on getting your bankroll to where it is. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, kgb, 29. Jul 2003 21:45 | ||
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| Question for spartan51; I'm also a newbie at the .50 - 1.00 level. What would you suggest as a barometer to know when you're ready for the next level? Also, what kind of records do you find useful? | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, spartan51, 30. Jul 2003 07:51 | ||
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| Hi kgb, Wow! I am honored that you would value my opinion. For what it's worth, I played many hands at one level before moving up to the next limit. On average that was between 12,000 to 15,000 hands. Any less than that, and I think someone is seriously fooling themselves if they think they are a consistent winner. I moved up when my bankroll allowed me to do so. I used the 300 times the big bet rule in regards to my bankroll. For example, I did not move up to $1/$2 until I ran my account up to $ 600. This, I feel is critical to a new player's long term success. If you are operating on an inadequate bankroll, that is, "scared money", you are probably setting yourself up for failure. My success at playing online at lower limits was definitely not a straight line up. There were many peaks and valleys and the only way to survive the "valleys" is to have an adequate bankroll for the limit you are playing at. As far as records go, I would record limit played, hours played, hands played and my winnings or losses for that session. I track my win percentage at each level, which usually hovers between 67-70%. I also would track my average win, hourly rate and even how much I win on each hand dealt. All this information would help me to confirm in my mind that I was a winning player at that particular limit. Hope you find this useful and good luck. Spartan51 | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, Brian462, 30. Jul 2003 00:51 | ||
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| okay I took alot of the great advice I got. I bought two books Supersytem & Hellmuth's book. I moved back down to 2-4 to refine my play. I got through the beginners portion of Hellmuth's book and as a result I have become even more selective in the hands I play but more aggressive in how I bet them. Does anyone have any opinions on his book? What are your thoughts on suited connectors & A-any suited? I used to call into the flop with these but Hellmuth does view them as playable hands. | ||
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| Re: Evolution of a Poker player, Jav, 30. Jul 2003 09:37 | ||
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| I have not read his book, but I have heard that the style of play that he suggests is not right for everyone. I also think it may not always work well at low limit holdem. Hellmuth is used to playing for high stakes, where aggressive play can win the pot more often than it will at lower stakes games. Realize that at low limit holdem you will have to show down the best hand most of the time. | ||
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