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 Low Limit situational advice, Brian462, 29. Jul 2003 02:56 | ||
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| I have a problem reading some people at all in no limit online hold 'em. A lot of the time I will end up check-calling all of the way when I should maybe be folding or raising. While I would normally raise or bet to see if an opponent made a hand many players will just call all the way with or without the hand. I'd like some ideas about how to approach some of these situations against various numbers of "calling stations". ---- From early position I have pocket kings or queens(maybe even jacks or lower) and an over card comes off. If I check its almost a guarantee that it will be bet whether someone made the pair or not. If I bet it will be called by anyone with the pair or a draw of any kind. A check raise will also be called by drawing opponents and anyone who paired up(they seem to not like to fold when they have money out on the table). Late position offers basically the same problems since a raise will not likely fold anyone or get me re-raised. ---- I have a straight or a flush but it is not nearly the nuts. I am really just looking for general advice here because the situations can get so varied. --- I flop medium pair against a few opponents who are always around til the river. Is it worth calling this out each time? If not, what about against a single opponent? Should I throw out a raise to see the responses? I haven't had much success raising against these people as they seem to not differentiate between a normal call or a single raise. ---- I'm sure I could come up with a thousand scenarios but they would all have basically the same problem: What to do with mediocre hands vs. opponents that are either unpredictable or predictable to the point that their actions are meaningless. So, if anyone has any advice on one or more of these situations or any general tips, please help me out. Thanks a lot, Brian | ||
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| Re: Low Limit situational advice, gary ford, 29. Jul 2003 09:03 | ||
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| Heaven help us but--it all depends---- 1. don't play mediocre hands. 2. bettors are winners, callers are losers 3.watch every hand whether you're in it or not 4. Practice at $5 SNGs Good luck -- Gary | ||
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| Re: Low Limit situational advice, Jav, 29. Jul 2003 10:04 | ||
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| You can never eliminate those kinds of hard decisions, and knowing what to do with difficult decisions is probably a big part of being a good poker player. But when you have disciplined starting hands, and stick to them, you generally won't be faced with as many tough decisions in early position. Having good position on your opponents when you might end up with a difficult hand is very important. That's why limping with something like Q,To in early position can be so hard to play. When you do hit one of your cards on the flop it's extremely hard to know what to do with it. With that said, if you are unclear where your hand is, it's usually a good idea to fold or raise. When you fold you get yourself out of a potentially expensive situation where you don't know if you have the best of it. When you raise, you can frequently figure out where the other players are at. If you make a small raise on the flop, and the other player comes back at you with a re-raise, if you have a mediocre hand you can release it right then. That can usually be cheaper than just calling their bet on the flop, turn, and then river.... | ||
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| Re: Low Limit situational advice, stdioh, 29. Jul 2003 11:06 | ||
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| I'm going to ignore the thrust of your post and make a point that is really important. No Limit poker is the province of compounding errors. The most important thing to make sure is that you don't make errors on early streets that multiply to cause you problems on later streets. Calling is often an error-producer. Lets say that you have AK and the flop is KQJ - rainbow. You raised preflop and had a caller. Now you bet the flop and the caller raises you (lets not worry about amounts now). You're left thinking that the reraiser here has a straight, 2 pair, or a set. Now calling here is terrible. Maybe he is on nothing and bluffing and maybe he is on the nut straight, but if you just call you have no way of knowing. If there's too much money in, fold and wait for something better - let go of your vulnerable hand. What if stacks are huge and the pot is small? Reraise. It is scary, but that is how you know where you are in the hand. You reraise and if your opponent just calls you are probably safe and have taken control of the hand. Know your opponent though. In this case your raise isn't so much a value raise as a semibluff. You want your opponent to stop betting if he's on 2 pair or a set out of fear. Now you might improve to the broadway, you might catch another king, or you might be able to push him off - it isn't an easy game, but the important thing is that if you call you won't know where you are. Many big decisions in NL are raise/fold decisions where calling just isn't an option. | ||
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| Re: Low Limit situational advice, Brian462, 29. Jul 2003 11:56 | ||
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| I've just started but one thing that works for me in low limit is I rarely (almost never) draw for hands. I either have it or I don't and in low limit with 4-6 people seeing the flop someone is bond to have the hand. I just wait my turn. If I have a meteoric hand that I don't want to fold I check call, there by limiting my loss. When I have the nuts or a hand I believe in I make my play. Every mistake I have made was caused by playing on emotion with something I didn't believe in. If I have good hand but get beat by great hand I just figure that over the long run I will be up so I don't worry about it. Hope it helps but like I said I am new and may say something completely different in a few weeks. | ||
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| Re: Low Limit situational advice, Jav, 29. Jul 2003 13:12 | ||
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| Drawing for hands in low limit holdem is a perfectly fine thing to do. With as many players per hand as you normally get in LL HE, drawing for flushes and open ended straights is normally the right thing to do. Just make sure you are normally drawing to the nuts. | ||
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| Re: Low Limit situational advice, Brian462, 29. Jul 2003 13:20 | ||
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| I should have been more specific if I go to the flop with a suited and two more come off then I will call till 5th because the pay off can be huge. However you absolutely need to make sure you have a good high card. What I meant by not drawing for a hand is if I have AK and 99Q come off then I am not going to keep calling someone just because I have AK. My feeling is that for every time I hit there are going to be five others in which I get nothing and probably 2 more in which the final ace doesn't even help. I don't think you make long term profit by "hoping" that something drops. I don't know anywhere close to everything so if someone sees a hole in my logic please tell me. | ||
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