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 Tourney Hand for your analysis, BigDukeSix, 28. Jul 2003 13:52 | ||
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| Tell me what you think, I can take it.... Hand #284693-39 at Mon4pmNL-15 (No Limit tournament Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 28/Jul/03 16:32:31 menexus is at seat 0 with 945. eze567 is at seat 1 with 1255. bigdukesix is at seat 2 with 910. (Our Hero!) blueliner is at seat 3 with 820. SILNIK is at seat 4 with 3010. (The Clown....) UpTheRiver is at seat 5 with 1100. Chistorm is at seat 6 with 1860. Boba Fett is at seat 7 with 500. WHUSMC is at seat 8 with 2080. MR Trader is at seat 9 with 320. The button is at seat 3. SILNIK posts the small blind of 15. UpTheRiver posts the big blind of 30. menexus: -- -- eze567: -- -- bigdukesix: Ah Jd blueliner: -- -- SILNIK: -- -- UpTheRiver: -- -- Chistorm: -- -- Boba Fett: -- -- WHUSMC: -- -- MR Trader: -- -- Pre-flop: Chistorm folds. Boba Fett folds. WHUSMC folds. MR Trader folds. menexus folds. eze567 folds. bigdukesix raises to 60. blueliner folds. SILNIK calls. UpTheRiver folds. Flop (board: Js 6c 9h): SILNIK checks. bigdukesix bets 450. SILNIK calls. Turn (board: Js 6c 9h 7s): SILNIK checks. bigdukesix goes all-in for 400. SILNIK calls. Tournament all-in showdown -- players show: bigdukesix shows Ah Jd. SILNIK shows Ts Ks. River (board: Js 6c 9h 7s Qc): (no action in this round) Showdown: bigdukesix has Ah Jd Js 9h Qc: a pair of jacks. SILNIK has Ts Ks Js 9h Qc: straight, king high. Hand #284693-39 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. SILNIK wins 1850 with straight, king high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Now I realise that I had no monster, but I 'knew' the clown had nothing, TYVM river, ah well.... cheers Simon | ||
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| Re: Tourney Hand for your analysis, mkpoker, 28. Jul 2003 15:07 | ||
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| First, let's recognize upfront: that was just a plain bad beat. An inside straight on the river. That's gotta hurt. Second, I think you may have played a little aggressively, considering how early it was in the tourney. You had a lot of ways to lose (a set, 2 pair, etc). However, you said you had a good read on your opponent, and you've got to trust yourself. I think the better players on this board might have advised a more cautious approach...we'll see. Third, if you going to defend this to the wall, why not go all in on the flop? You've more likely to have the best hand at this point, and you're virtually pot commited anyway. Just in case clown had a hand like AQs (which he didn't), an all-in bet might drive him out right there. Heck, I think you played this fine. It's arguable that you should have made smaller bets...but I'll defer forming an opinion until I see what others think. Bottom line: Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug. Get 'em next time. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Hand for your analysis, LEEBOG, 29. Jul 2003 08:37 | ||
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| on 28. Jul 2003 15:07 mkpoker wrote: > First, let's recognize upfront: that was just a plain bad beat. An inside straight > on the river. That's gotta hurt. > I agree it was a bad beat, but it was not an inside straight on the river, it was double belly, Q, 8, heck even a King. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Hand for your analysis, shorn, 29. Jul 2003 08:46 | ||
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| on 29. Jul 2003 08:37 LEEBOG wrote: > on 28. Jul 2003 15:07 mkpoker wrote: > > First, let's recognize upfront: that was just a plain bad beat. An inside straight > > on the river. That's gotta hurt. > > > > I agree it was a bad beat, but it was not an inside straight on the river, it was double > belly, Q, 8, heck even a King. More than that, but the Clown had the second nut flush draw on the turn as well. Yes, he should have folded the flop, but by my calculation he could think he has potentially 18 outs on the river (9 spades, 3 Queens, 3 8's, and 3 Kings). So, I don't think the turn call is such a bad play, especially since he more than had the table covered in chips. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Hand for your analysis, Schuster, 29. Jul 2003 01:24 | ||
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| Whoa! My math says that there was only 150 in the pot on the flop. 450 is a monster overbet, and is not necessary. You're basically pot committing yourself when you don't need to do so at all. A pot sized bet would have been more than fine here. Now when he calls such a huge bet, I would be very concerned. Either he's a total fish (ok, so he was...) or he's got you beat and badly. I would have bet the pot on the flop, and I would have been concerned when he called. Another bet on the turn would be appropriate, and then I'd check it down on the river. You're still building your stack without putting it all in jeopardy. Lee | ||
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| Re: Tourney Hand for your analysis, mroban, 29. Jul 2003 07:01 | ||
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| Like you Big, I have just started playing NL, have read all the books and have found there really isn't a substitute for experience. I have learned this same lesson the hard way in several tournaments and have gone All in when i knew I had the best of it, only to get called and beat by an inside straight or some other lucky card on the river. Had I just made pot sized raises instead of betting my stack, I would have taken the same bad beat, but lived to fight on and probably next time, I win that battle and get the money back. Recently, I won a $10 sit and go where I had a similar situation and actually didn't go all in (made the pot sized bet and got sucked out). My stack got reduced from T2000 to T1400. The guy who beat me had won a few lucky pots and was up to T4000 with 5 players left. I finally got a hand where he raised (he had been raising with questionable hands) and I had KK. I reraised the pot and he called. Flop came Q-8-3 rainbow. He either had KQ, AQ or even JT or T9. In any case, I made a pot sized raise on the flop and 2 more $500 raises, only going all in on the river when I knew I had him beat. He called me all the way down and of course lost. I built up my stack big and never risked my entire stack until I knew I was safe (although he could have still sucked me out of course with a lucky Q - turned out he had KQ unsuited!!). In retrospect, a K on the river would have been great, instead of calling he would have reraised all in and gotten busted. Anyway, I am learning more and more every time I play. Keep listening to these guys here, they know what they are talking about. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Hand for your analysis, TexRoadkill, 29. Jul 2003 10:38 | ||
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| I'd agree that you over bet especially considering he was calling and could well afford to lose and still be the chip leader. I rarely go all in against the chip leader unless I have the nuts. Especially if he just called a big bet and the next card didn't help you. | ||
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| Re: Tourney Hand for your analysis, BigDukeSix, 29. Jul 2003 12:18 | ||
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| Lots of good advice and ideas, thank you all for your input, I appreciate it. Yes I've got plenty to learn, and i hope I will learn quicker with you guys helping me. Thanks again. Simon | ||
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