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 Unwritten Tournament Rules, greg petriv, 28. Jul 2003 07:19 | ||
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| Have recently resumed playing Tournaments.(online for now)..multi and sNg!!...I'm not up to date on unwritten rules if any...have been in a few spots where a player has been all-in and the other player in with me appears to just want to check it through.(though he may just be checking because he wishes to)...want to win and lose with respect and don't want to cross any lines...can anyone fill me in | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, Roy Cooke, 28. Jul 2003 07:46 | ||
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| Hi Greg It is often the right play to check in those spots as it increases the chance of eliminating the third player....Which can be a big benefit to the other two players in the pot. As long as there is no agreement stated between the two players the play is within the rules! I appreciate and respect your sense of honesty and integrity! Roy Cooke on 28. Jul 2003 07:19 greg petriv wrote: > Have recently resumed playing Tournaments.(online for now)..multi and > sNg!!...I'm not up to date on unwritten rules if any...have been in a few spots > where a player has been all-in and the other player in with me appears to just > want to check it through.(though he may just be checking because he wishes > to)...want to win and lose with respect and don't want to cross any lines...can > anyone fill me in | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, stdioh, 28. Jul 2003 09:30 | ||
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| As Roy pointed out, this isn't a case of honour, but of strategy. If you have a decent hand, you want to check it down because you don't want to fold your opponent off of a draw that will beat the all in player if you don't. Of course there are a lot of factors to weigh. For instance, lets say that there are 100 players left and top 10 get paid. Lets say that blinds are 50-100, there is 3000 in the pot and you have 1000 left in your stack, your opponent has 1200 and the sidepot is dry. The all-in player called all in. You have AK and the flop is As7h2h. You have a very vulnerable hand, it is *very* likely to be the best hand, and you *need* to win the pot. Eliminating the all in player at this point isn't important, but getting the money in the middle is. You're in deep trouble if you lose and you also have an opponent who can't afford to gamble. If he loses the hand, he'll only have T200 left, so he can't afford to call without an ace - in which case you have him dominated. He might call on a flush draw out of desperation, but if he does then you are making him pay to draw. The point is that here you have to shove all in. Now lets look at another situation. Same tourney, but now blinds are 200-400 and there are 12 players left. You have T30,000 and your opponents have T1,500 and T25,000. The short stack pushes all in from middle position and you look down at KhJh on the puck. You call and the BB comes in too (lets not discuss whether a call is correct there in this thread). Flop is JsTh2h. Now you're holding top pair with a good kicker and a good flush draw. Normally this is a hand that you would blast the hell out of, right? Well, if your flush doesn't come then your hand isn't that good. There's a very decent chance that the all in player has already got your beat with an overpair. Moreover, when the opponent is knocked out, everybodly left hasa better chance of getting paid. So when the BB checks to you, you just check. Now the turn is Ah and you're holding the nut flush and even a strfl draw. You know you're winning the hand at this point unless the all in player manages to draw out on you, which you don't care about, or the other player manages to draw out on you. Now is the right time to bet. So the BB checks, and you make a bet of 2000 and the BB says, "I sure hope you know what you are doing," and folds his TJ. You win the hand when the all in player's QQ doesn't improve and he is knocked out. BTW, read back in Roy West's columns in CardPlayer a couple of months and you'll see his article about his biggest pet peave, the dry sidepot bluff. He does a very good job of explaining why you often should check there. | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, TexRoadkill, 29. Jul 2003 13:57 | ||
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| I never really thought of this either but now that I'm aware of it, it really pisses me off when other players screw it up. Last night in a tourney a shortstack went all in and the chip leader bluffed me out of the pot. I had A J but was low on chips myself and didn't want to fight with the chip leader when he is betting out of MP. He bluffed me out and the short stack beat him with a pair of 8s. I would have caught my A and J on the 4,5 cards to take him out. I mentioned it to the chip leader and apparently pissed him off. We ended up being the last two and had a long drawn out battle for first. He ended up wining and wouldn't even respong to a 'good game' message. What a baby. | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, Risky Business, 29. Jul 2003 15:02 | ||
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| Who is the baby? You're the one crying over spilled milk. We're all free to do as we will in this game. You just got played this time. Next time, you'll be on the benefitting end of someone trying to bluff you out when you've got the nuts. | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, TexRoadkill, 31. Jul 2003 09:22 | ||
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| I'm not crying over anything. He made some dumb decisions and didn't like them being pointed out. His bluffing me out of the low chip all in hand only cost him money and jeopordized his own chances of placing in the money. Anyone who can't play a game and be sportmanslike is a douche bag. I don't get bent out of shape over it but it says a lot about a persons character. | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, TexRoadkill, 31. Jul 2003 09:38 | ||
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| Risky, I just noticed your name. That was you wasn't it? lol. | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, Risky Business, 31. Jul 2003 10:54 | ||
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| No. My name isn't "Risky" on any sites. Where did this take place? on 31. Jul 2003 09:38 TexRoadkill wrote: > Risky, I just noticed your name. That was you wasn't it? lol. | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, TexRoadkill, 31. Jul 2003 12:43 | ||
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| It was over on Party Poker about two nights ago. $10 NL SNG I've only played over there so far for online play. I don't remember what the guys name was but Risky Business just sounded familliar. I think I played somebody with that name recently. | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, Risky Business, 31. Jul 2003 13:59 | ||
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| That's my current stomping grounds, but the names don't come close. Plus, I haven't been closing the deal lately. In the money, but not winning. on 31. Jul 2003 12:43 TexRoadkill wrote: > It was over on Party Poker about two nights ago. $10 NL SNG I've only played over there so far for online > play. > > I don't remember what the guys name was but Risky Business just sounded familliar. I think I played somebody > with that name recently. | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, TexRoadkill, 31. Jul 2003 14:30 | ||
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| I use the same name. Give me a yell if we end up in the same room. I usually play the $10 NL SNG. I tend to place in about 25% of the games and hopefully can tighten that up My best play is short handed. When I get on a run I can knock out the remaining 3 or 4 players in a few hands. I did that twice in the last couple nights. If I end up heads up for first and it goes a few hands then it's usually a coin toss. | ||
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| Re: Unwritten Tournament Rules, Risky Business, 31. Jul 2003 15:23 | ||
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| Can't mistake that name. I'll chime in when I'm there. Good luck on 31. Jul 2003 14:30 TexRoadkill wrote: > I use the same name. Give me a yell if we end up in the same room. I usually play the $10 NL SNG. > > I tend to place in about 25% of the games and hopefully can tighten that up > My best play is short handed. When I get on a run I can knock out the remaining 3 or 4 players in a few hands. I did > that twice in the last couple nights. If I end up heads up for first and it goes a few hands then it's usually a coin > toss. | ||
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