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 Just how powerful is big slick?, spawgan, 27. Jul 2003 23:31 | ||
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| To open up for discussion, just how powerful is big slick. It seems, particularly in NL games it is somewhat vulnerable. It can be beat by small and middle pairs if it doesn't get help. Just wanted to get others thoughts. Where exactly do others rank this hand. I have seen it ranked as high as the third best hand. note - I am also asking b/c it seems all night, at least 7 in a row I counted that I lost w/ big slick | ||
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| Re: Just how powerful is big slick?, Swagman, 28. Jul 2003 00:56 | ||
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| Over-rated seriously. primarily because its not a made hand. I have stopped raising pre-flop with this hand on most ocassions, especially against a full table. | ||
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| Re: Just how powerful is big slick?, 4 POKER, 28. Jul 2003 03:19 | ||
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| I agree that although it is a strong pre-flop hand given the right situation, it is still a hand that usually has to hit if you're up against more than one opponent. All too often you'll see players bet, raise and re-raise with this hand even when they flop absolutely nothing against a large field because they have in their minds that A-K is a nut hand. In "limit poker", against several opponents (and even in heads up play alot of the times)....you have to know when Ace high is not going to take down the pot and/or get your opponents to fold when you chose to play it over aggresively. It does win many pots, especially if you flop an Ace or a King with a ragged board and you're in a heads up or three way pot....but like any other hand....it usually has to hit something in order to continue. It's a big money maker hand when played correctly, but when it becomes *overplayed*, it can become the biggest money loser hand for many players that are not reading their opponents and/or the board correctly. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Just how powerful is big slick?, Big_Slick, 28. Jul 2003 05:32 | ||
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| Yeah, Swagman and 4-P are correct. The bottom line is, A-K is still a drawing hand. I think a lot of people put too much faith in this hand, especially beginners. I've gone to the river a lot lately with people holding Big Slick. When their hand missed, they flashed me their hole cards like proud parents. Gotta love it. | ||
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| Re: Just how powerful is big slick?, Snorbolus, 28. Jul 2003 08:56 | ||
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| >...... A-K is still a drawing hand. Yes AK is still a drawing hand but it's a very good one. AKs is the best drawing hand. You can usually raise either for value pre-flop. But don't let that stop you from mucking if things turn ugly afterwards. Snorbolus on 28. Jul 2003 05:32 Big_Slick wrote: > Yeah, Swagman and 4-P are correct. The bottom line is, A-K is still a drawing hand. I > think a lot of people put too much faith in this hand, especially beginners. I've > gone to the river a lot lately with people holding Big Slick. When their hand missed, > they flashed me their hole cards like proud parents. Gotta love it. | ||
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| Re: Just how powerful is big slick?, shorn, 28. Jul 2003 05:57 | ||
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| I think the power of this hand depends mainly on what position you are in and how many players have already called the pre-flop bet. I hate this hand in LP against 3 limpers...it most likely won't win against 3 random hands, not to mention the blinds coming along. However, UTG or in EP, I like the hand because if you have one limper and you raise, you can generally get a pot contested by no more than 3 players. In that case, if rags flop, sometimes your flop bet can pick up the pot. Bottom line, this is a hand you have to be careful with and not overplay. But, in the right position, it can be a significant money maker. | ||
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| Re: Just how powerful is big slick?, mroban, 28. Jul 2003 09:18 | ||
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| In Cloutier/McEvoy's book, they mention that Big Slick is also called "Walking Back to Houston" because so many players have gone broke playing that hand (thus having to walk back to Houston from Dallas). TJ advocates raising preflop but being very careful if re-raised. Also, if raised after the flop, he advocates folding. TJ even argues that pocket 22 is more powerful than AK (because you actually have a hand). Obviously reasonable people can differ here. He argues AK is much more powerful when the table is shorthanded or when in a middle position and everyone passes to you. Personally, in NL tourneys, Big Slick is my personal Waterloo as I have been busted with it and busted against it (holding KK and QQ) several times. | ||
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| Re: Just how powerful is big slick?, MozMan, 28. Jul 2003 11:03 | ||
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| I'm fond of telling people that we call it Big Slick for a reason: Big because it's potentially a very powerful hand, and Slick becaus it's very slippery. I think a preflop raise is in order the majority of the time, fo rtwo reasons: 1) most of the time, you will be playing it for big pairs, which play better against a smaller field; 2) part of the time, you will be playing it as a str8 (or flush)-drawing hand, and you want to pump the pot for value. Here's the key tho... if the flop misses you, and there's considerable action, you want to dump it, because this is one of the times it's being Slick, instead of Big. -Moz "I smoke 'cause I'm hoping for an early death, and I need to cling to something." | ||
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| Re: Just how powerful is big slick?, stdioh, 29. Jul 2003 10:31 | ||
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| It is great in the right place. For a ring game, it is wonderful since if you hit it on the flop you have top pair top kicker and that has intrinsic value. If you don't hit it, you often have a decent draw with it, like the gutshot with overcards, etc. If you make a 4-flush on board you can win it that way too. As for NL, it is a wonderful hand to play against small desperate stacks when you are all in preflop because they either get a coinflip or are totally dominated. It is also nice if you can agress appropriately when you hit one pair and be able to get away when you know you're beat. So many players will hit a king with KJ against your AK, bet the flop, call your raise, and call you down, that AK can be very profitable. | ||
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| Re: Just how powerful is big slick?, xf1000, 1. Aug 2003 23:50 | ||
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| I think that this hand hurts a lot of playere including my self. In Cloutier's book on pot limit and no limit I think he ranks it just below jacks. Which in my short timed experience now seems about right. I am defininitely not willing to go in with this hand in no limit like i used to . | ||
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