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 Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, NOWAY, 27. Jul 2003 22:07 | ||
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| WOW, there are so many idiots playing at Party Poker in the lower limits. I am up 400 dollars in a 3-6 game in 4 hours, and even though I just had my QQ wired cracked by K2 os, I don't even care. I had QQ, 7 people call a raise cold, I swear to God. Flop comes T62 rainbow, and all 7 people call my lead out bet!!!! What the hell can 7 people be drawing at with that flop? Anyway Guy ends up beating me when river brings a K and he shows K2os. Unbelievable, but true, enjoy it while you can. | ||
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| Re: Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, Swagman, 27. Jul 2003 22:37 | ||
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| haven't played much online poker. But i have netted 800 dollars in 1 weeks play against low limit idiots as you call them. Where as you are submitted to the grind playing at higher limit games. Definately something to look into. Making about 20 dollars an hour easy on a 1/2 holdem game for example. | ||
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| Re: Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, 4 POKER, 28. Jul 2003 03:03 | ||
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| I just got back from a nice session at The Orleans in Vegas and was looking to play a little hold-em on-line. I sat down in a $15-30 game and in under 25 minutes, I was up over a grand. On one hand I had K-K on the button after everyone had folded to me. I raised to $30, got called by both blinds. The flop came up Q-9-8 rainbow, and although I had an overpair to the flop, I wasn't thrilled with the flop. Both players in the blind were extrememly loose and aggresive. I got check-raised by the SB, and then the BB. The SB caps it off, and I was going to fold but I really didn't think that either one of them was smart enough to bet and/or raise with J-10 for the nuts, and if either one of them held a pocket pair that could have flopped a set.....they were so aggresive that they would have raised me back *pre-flop*,so I called. I thought the BB had a strong Queen, and the SB (given his over-aggresive style play), had a straight draw with overcards. (perhaps KJ). The turn brought another off-suit card, and I think it was a 3. (something irrelevant to the flop). The SB bets out and now the BB folds. I was surprized at his fold there because I really gave him a Q, and with the pot that big, I couldn't imagine what hand he could have been holding that he wouldn't call one bet with on the turn after 3 betting it on the flop. Anyway, I was glad to get rid of him on the turn. I also knew that if I called a bet on the turn, I would be calling a bet on the river as well. (regardless of what card came up). Players make alot of moves, especially on-line, and although I'm *aware* that sometimes even a bad player can outflop you just as easily as a good player could.....with the pot at that size, once I call the turn, I'm committed to paying it off. Now because I *did* chose to call his bet on the turn, if the river card brings the 3rd King, I'm raising it because if I'm willing to call all his bets, if I now hit my best card, I'd have to raise it here because the only hand that could beat me is J-10, and if I really thought he held that hand, I wouldn't be calling on the flop *or* the turn. I now put him on either a big Queen, two pair, or a draw with no pair, because he was *that* loose! I didn't put him on a set because with the flop of Q-9-8, if he held pocket QQ's, 99's, or 88's, he would have 3 bet me *before* the flop to try and drive out the BB. The river brought another rag card and he bet it again. But because I put him on the possible three holdings.....only one of them would have me beat and that would be two pair, so I chose to raise him for value because after thinking it through, I thought my K-K was good. I didn't want to raise the turn because if he 3 bet me, he might get me to fold off the best hand putting *me* on just overcards. So I raise the river bet and he folds. I'll never know what he held but from my read on this player, I think he did hold a straight draw. Any other holding, he would have paid off, even if he just held Ace high because he was that weak. So even though this was a higher limit game (compared to on-line poker, that is).....idiotic plays and/or certain moves are made all the time.....there just might be a little bit more aggresion behind it. How would you have played K-K against those players? Would you have given up at some point (flop/turn)? Would you raise the last bet (river), or would you have just called? Would you release it on the river if he bets out, you raise and then get re-raised? Thoughts please............ 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, mroban, 28. Jul 2003 15:20 | ||
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| 4 Poker: Obviously you are far more exprienced than me, but it is fun to see how the experts play their hands. I have to think I would not have folded to the SB under any circumstance, but if the BB had called or raised on the turn, I think I would have folded for sure. But with the SB folding, there is no way I am folding heads up. Of course, I have lost some big pots playing that way, but if this guy is a maniac, how could you fold here? I love the re-raise on the river. Huge nads! I am sure I flat call that. If I did re-raise and get re-raised, I think you are pot committed at that point, no? I mean, a maniac could possibly re-raise here thinking that is the only way to take the pot. I am curious, of the three hands you had him on, I know you were thinking AQ or KQ for sure. Did you consider A9 or even A8? I swear I have seen plays like that with players holding those hands (especially if a four flush hits the turn). When you say "too dumb to bet JT" you do mean that they would slowplay that hand, yes? I think slowplaying the JT would have been idiotic with that board (b/c a 10 would make KJ the nut straight) but that doesn't mean these guys know that. Anyway, I love the way you played the hand. I have to try the re-raise on the river in that kind of situation (against a maniac only). on 28. Jul 2003 03:03 4 POKER wrote: > I just got back from a nice session at The Orleans in Vegas and was looking to play a > little hold-em on-line. I sat down in a $15-30 game and in under 25 minutes, I was up > over a grand. On one hand I had > K-K on the button after everyone had folded to me. I raised to $30, got called by > both blinds. The flop came up Q-9-8 rainbow, and although I had an overpair to the > flop, I wasn't thrilled with the flop. Both players in the blind were extrememly > loose and aggresive. > > I got check-raised by the SB, and then the BB. The SB caps it off, and I was going > to fold but I really didn't think that either one of them was smart enough to bet > and/or raise with J-10 for the nuts, and if either one of them held a pocket pair > that could have flopped a set.....they were so aggresive that they would have raised > me back *pre-flop*,so I called. I thought the BB had a strong Queen, and the SB > (given his over-aggresive style play), had a straight draw with overcards. (perhaps > KJ). > > The turn brought another off-suit card, and I think it was a 3. (something > irrelevant to the flop). The SB bets out and now the BB folds. I was surprized at his > fold there because I really gave him a Q, and with the pot that big, I couldn't > imagine what hand he could have been holding that he wouldn't call one bet with on > the turn after 3 betting it on the flop. Anyway, I was glad to get rid of him on the > turn. I also knew that if I called a bet on the turn, I would be calling a bet on the > river as well. (regardless of what card came up). Players make alot of moves, > especially on-line, and although I'm *aware* that sometimes even a bad player can > outflop you just as easily as a good player could.....with the pot at that size, once > I call the turn, I'm committed to paying it off. Now because I *did* chose to call > his bet on the turn, if the river card brings the 3rd King, I'm raising it because if > I'm willing to call all his bets, if I now hit my best card, I'd have to raise it > here because the only hand that could beat me is J-10, and if I really thought he > held that hand, I wouldn't be calling on the flop *or* the turn. > > I now put him on either a big Queen, two pair, or a draw with no pair, because he > was *that* loose! I didn't put him on a set because with the flop of Q-9-8, if he > held pocket QQ's, 99's, or 88's, he would have 3 bet me *before* the flop to try and > drive out the BB. > > The river brought another rag card and he bet it again. But because I put him on the > possible three holdings.....only one of them would have me beat and that would be two > pair, so I chose to raise him for value because after thinking it through, I thought > my K-K was good. I didn't want to raise the turn because if he 3 bet me, he might get > me to fold off the best hand putting *me* on just overcards. So I raise the river bet > and he folds. > > I'll never know what he held but from my read on this player, I think he did hold a > straight draw. Any other holding, he would have paid off, even if he just held Ace > high because he was that weak. > > So even though this was a higher limit game (compared to on-line poker, that > is).....idiotic plays and/or certain moves are made all the time.....there just might > be a little bit more aggresion behind it. > > How would you have played K-K against those players? > Would you have given up at some point (flop/turn)? > Would you raise the last bet (river), or would you have just called? > Would you release it on the river if he bets out, you raise and then get > re-raised? > > Thoughts please............ > > > > 4 POKER > | ||
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| Re: Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, MozMan, 28. Jul 2003 15:41 | ||
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| Hey 4- Nice going! My answers to your quesitons are below: on 28. Jul 2003 03:03 4 POKER wrote: > > How would you have played K-K against those players? I'll be honest, how I play the cowboys with these guys depends on 1) my state of mind, and 2) my financial presence at the table. These might be related, too. If I had just gone up a grand as you described, I'm likely to be pretty aggressive with these guys, figuring them to be big bluffers with the str8 draw. At the very least, I call them down. If I'm not coming off a big run, or maybe I'm coming off a losing session, then I might be aggressive before the flop... I might try to get in a raise of my own on the flop, but meeting a cap there, I might just fold when there's action on the turn and no help; although the BB folds to a turn bet makes me think again about how weak these guys are. > Would you have given up at some point (flop/turn)? See above. If I'm going to fold at all; it will either be facing two (or was it three?) bets on the flop (the other option is to reraise myself and see hwat kind of response I get) or facing action on the turn. > Would you raise the last bet (river), or would you have just called? If I have your read on this guy, I think I might raise. More likely, tho, I'm probably gonna call it to see what he has. > Would you release it on the river if he bets out, you raise and then get > re-raised? No, this might be wrong, but if I'm in this deep I'm not gonna let him push me around. He sounds like the kind of psycho that will take everything down to the river because he believes he can push anybody off a hand by throwing lots of bets at them. If I pay off, even if I lose, he knows I can't be easily pushed off a hand, and is less (possibly more, either way is fine with me) likely to bluff at me on the river later. > > Thoughts please............ > > > > 4 POKER > -Moz "I smoke 'cause I'm hoping for an early death, and I need to cling to something." | ||
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| Re: Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, player, 28. Jul 2003 05:13 | ||
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| I understand your aggravation with the low limit players. I have won with even greater loses with idiots playing till the river to catch. (and they do) I understand that they will get lucky and when you have many players going to the river there is a higher chance that one will leaving your great hand a looser. Any suggestions to how to beat these players out of there type of mystery game? | ||
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| Re: Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, sburne, 28. Jul 2003 07:13 | ||
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| Hey, that's MR IDIOT to you... | ||
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| Re: Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, Tlaserx, 28. Jul 2003 08:31 | ||
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| Get back to me after a month of playing and we'll see how your doing. This has come up before. You might find yourself soon posting how you can't believe that all these idiots are drawing out on you and cracking you on the damn river. 1-2 BB per hour is about as good as it gets long term. So far, your wins are withing the short term luck factor. But keep at it.. | ||
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| Re: Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, Jav, 28. Jul 2003 10:03 | ||
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| I think that a good player can expect to make more than 1-2BB per hour against the type of players that are frequently playing low limit at Party Poker. First, you get dealt more hands on-line than you would in a B&M. And second, there are many more people willing to pay you off when you do get a hand. Sure that is somewhat offset by getting drawn out on more frequently; but I don't think it makes up for it entirely. | ||
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| Re: Party Poker Low Limit Idiots!!!!!!!, stdioh, 28. Jul 2003 09:34 | ||
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| Don't let the short term get the best of you. Because you made $400 in 4 hours at 3-6 does not mean that you are beating the game for $100/hour. Most likely if you are a good player then you are beating the game for <$15 per hour. | ||
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