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 Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, Robbins, 27. Jul 2003 13:44 | ||
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| While I'm sure it is nice to be on TV, how do the pro's feel about other people being able to always see their hand and learn how they play? | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, Roy Cooke, 27. Jul 2003 14:39 | ||
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| While some may not like their hands exposed...They do seem to like the publicity and will love the added money if this becomes an established tour! Roy Cooke on 27. Jul 2003 13:44 Robbins wrote: > While I'm sure it is nice to be on TV, how do the pro's feel about other people > being able to always see their hand and learn how they play? > > | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, gary ford, 27. Jul 2003 15:38 | ||
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| Roy--it is my understanding that some pro's objected to revealing their hole cards when WPT first started. Their feeling being that " trade secrets" would be exposed. Most of the play I've seen on the show have been erratic and no " great truths' have been revealed. Once added money comes in from Tv rights fees ( with the ratings WPT is getting that day is close at hand) and once corporate sponsors see value in attaching their name to tournaments. (WPT Jaguar British Open or Bellagio B MW Open or The Hustler Invitational ) adding $thousands to each event no one will care about exposing their hole cards . The only element missing is a sexy female player a'la Annaurnikova. I was glad to see Annie Duke profiled in People magazine, but she is a soccer mom. Barefoot one at that. May the force be with us-----Gary | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, Barry T, 27. Jul 2003 17:17 | ||
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| Hi. You know, this hole card exposing stuff is overrated. Sure, if you watched my play for a few weeks, you would learn some stuff about my game. But any one hand or evening is a microcosm of a huge set of possibilities. Unless they tell you what they are thinking you do not know why they made the plays they did against the opponents they did in the positions they were in with the stack sizes they had... You learned they sometimes bluff, and sometimes don't. You learned they play more hands than the book says. Well, most pros and players already know that about each other. And it does not help much. While it might be possible to look for tells on replay, the rest is pretty much mumbo-jumbo about giving up too much information. It might hurt to learn you were bluffed on a specific hand, but it is silly to think the other guy never bluffed. So you saw Doyle go all in with a Q8o (and get no respect). What will that tell you to do the next time he goes all in? BarryT | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, Swagman, 27. Jul 2003 17:38 | ||
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| Attributing Doyles move as a work of speculative genius is a bit far. There may have been several reasons he decided to make this move, tired, on tilt, wanting to see another one of these blasted final tables over etc. etc. But it was done for comic relief more then anything. Not a calculated attempt of deception in the future. If was a weak attempt at deception, then well likely be seeing a lot of wannabe on-line stars taking the tour, because the pros are over-rated. | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, Don Quixote, 27. Jul 2003 17:40 | ||
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| All the TV viewer sees is final table play, and mostly shorthanded at that. It is a good way for newbies to pick up bad habits if they dont understand this fact. Don Quixote on 27. Jul 2003 13:44 Robbins wrote: > While I'm sure it is nice to be on TV, how do the pro's feel about other people > being able to always see their hand and learn how they play? > > | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, PairTheBoard, 27. Jul 2003 20:12 | ||
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| The thing is there is a lot I'm sure they don't show. They just show the hands that bring action. For all we know there may be a ton of hands in between where they just go back and forth sparring with each other. The big moves that get made have been set up by all that's gone before. It's fun to watch though. I especially like to see the little subtle acts they try to put on. They feign emotions and try to put on acts by the way they throw in the chips sometimes. I was really suprised at that. I thought they would all be like Rocks as far as feigning tells. | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, gary ford, 27. Jul 2003 20:52 | ||
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| on 27. Jul 2003 20:12 PairTheBoard wrote: > The thing is there is a lot I'm sure they don't show. They just show the hands that > bring action. For all we know there may be a ton of hands in between where they just > go back and forth sparring with each other. The big moves that get made have been set > up by all that's gone before. It's fun to watch though. I especially like to see the > little subtle acts they try to put on. They feign emotions and try to put on acts by > the way they throw in the chips sometimes. I was really suprised at that. I thought > they would all be like Rocks as far as feigning tells. they al lived up to the expression ' Hollywood" We all love the limelight---gary | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, Slate, 28. Jul 2003 06:58 | ||
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| Remember these guys play 100's of hands in the many days before the final table that no one sees. Also all the other tournaments that are not televised. The final table on the WPT is only a fraction of the hands. Also it could work to their advantage in the future when the same situation comes up they will do something totally different. | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, noiseboy, 28. Jul 2003 09:20 | ||
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| I don't think it's as exposing their trade secrets as much as it would seem. The fact is, that they don't show EVERY hand, which greatly colors how an audience would view how someone plays. For instance, when you watch the WPT, it seems like Gus Hansen will play any two cards. However, I'm sure even he is throwing away a lot more hands than we see. It's just that his crazy bluffs make for good TV, so those are the hands they end up showing. You can pick up some moves that players use. However, it would be hard to translate that into something you could use against them because the pros have so many moves that it's hard to read them. | ||
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| Re: Is the WPT too exposing for Pro's?, stdioh, 29. Jul 2003 12:06 | ||
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| Seing as they cards are only shown if they make the final table, it isn't such a bad deal for them too. Besides, in exchange for the information they get celebrity status at large which will make them money if poker really falls into the mainstream. I wonder when Hellmuth is going to do a car commercial. For that matter Scotty Nguyen should already be a spokesman for a beer label. | ||
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