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 River: Call or Fold? Hand 1, Barry T, 26. Jul 2003 04:27 | ||
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| Hi. I f aced two of these situations in a recent 30-60 game. What would you do? Here is the first one. 1. I have 5d3d in the SB and call after three limpers. Flop is 3c4d4c. I check, next player, an OK 30-60 tourist, bets out. Original UTG player calls (he is a weak but strange player who might have pretty much anything). One other player calls. I elect to call because I am last to act and have backdoor flush and straight draws. Turn is 3s. I check again, the original bettor checks, and now the UTG pl;ayer bets out. Other guy folds, and I lect to call with my bottom full. the BB also calls. Now the Ah comes on the river. I check. BB, who bet on the flop,. now fires again. UTG calls. Should I call, or fold? | ||
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| Re: River: Call or Fold? Hand 1, Swagman, 26. Jul 2003 05:15 | ||
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| You against three or four players telling you that they represent fours full of threes, or your playing against the loosest crowd in the known universe. Your beaten so badly here your head still spinning as you make it to the ATM machine. | ||
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| Re: River: Call or Fold? Hand 1, Swagman, 26. Jul 2003 05:36 | ||
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| sorry im bored, but trying to think about the thousands of poker hands I've played where the board paired itself, and there was 4 player willing to call a bet to the river, and at least 1 of them not having the set, I cant recall a time, but I could be wrong. | ||
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| Re: River: Call or Fold? Hand 1, Roy Cooke, 26. Jul 2003 07:33 | ||
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| Hi Barry Good question and an unusual hand........ First, I would NEVER consider folding this hand....There is significant money in the pot and I don't read this situation as one in which I am obviously beat! Roys Read: I was not there and therefore do not have as much information (regarding previous plays by players) to read the hand as if I was in the game.. That said, most players would not lead a four and then check the turn. I think that would be a rare play to see an "OK" player make. The guy who called the flop and bet the turn, I would question his holding. He might have a four and be calling the river to get an overcall out of you. I think there is a good overlay on the call on the river....I overcall the bet...I do not think it is close! So....What happened? Roy Cooke on 26. Jul 2003 04:27 Barry T wrote: > Hi. I f aced two of these situations in a recent 30-60 game. What would you > do? Here is the first one. > > 1. I have 5d3d in the SB and call after three limpers. Flop is 3c4d4c. I > check, next player, an OK 30-60 tourist, bets out. Original UTG player calls (he > is a weak but strange player who might have pretty much anything). One other > player calls. I elect to call because I am last to act and have backdoor flush > and straight draws. Turn is 3s. I check again, the original bettor checks, and > now the UTG pl;ayer bets out. Other guy folds, and I lect to call with my > bottom full. the BB also calls. Now the Ah comes on the river. I check. BB, > who bet on the flop,. now fires again. UTG calls. Should I call, or fold? > > | ||
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| Hand 1 Results, Barry T, 26. Jul 2003 09:42 | ||
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| Hi. Roy, you are right. I mucked the hand, figuring I was overcalling for half the pot at best, aad I hate to make calls if I cannot win the pot. BB had Q3s. UTG had pocket jacks(!). So I do get half the pot if I call. I was wondering if I made a bad laydown, and I guess I did. I like your logic. BarryT | ||
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| Re: River: Call or Fold? Hand 1, PairTheBoard, 26. Jul 2003 21:33 | ||
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| I would put the first better on something like AK,AQ, etc. and the second bettor, now calling, on a medium pocket pair - at least with a reasonable probabilty. The fact that there was no raising reduces the likelihood of anyone else being full. Enough for a call. imo. | ||
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| Re: River: Call or Fold? Hand 1, Barry T, 27. Jul 2003 11:44 | ||
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| Hi. I really thught I was calling for half a pot at best when I folded, but you are correct. I could easily have laid down the whole thing under your plausible read. Thanks. BarryT | ||
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| Re: River: Call or Fold? Hand 1, stdioh, 29. Jul 2003 12:19 | ||
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| I think you can get rid of that in the SB and not feel bad about it. Thus, you don't need to make this decision. On the flop, again you can get rid of it. Your tight, if you make it will be a bad one, your striaght, if you make it will likely be a bad one. Your flush, if you make it is a bad one. You have less than 4 outs total for your backdoor draws, hitting a 5 will be no good to you and hitting a 3 is dangerous too. Muck that flop for sure. Now when you hit your 3 on the turn, why muck? You've hit what you were hoping too - this is the best thing that could have happened. If you're going to fold there, then why didn't you fold earlier? | ||
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