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 help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, tpir90036, 25. Jul 2003 11:14 | ||
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| after being burned a few times playing NL i am starting to get what i would like to call "nuts-itis". my read on my opponents goes out the window as soon as he/she puts a big bet in and i find an excuse to fold. example: i have AKs in MP and raise. everyone folds except an EP limper. the flop comes K-9-x. he bets the pot at me and i immediately think "he has trip 9's... i am done". if this were a limit game i would definitely hang in there. but i guess i haven't gotten used to the big bets yet. i like to think i am laying down some hands that weaker players would not....but i know that i am getting bullied out of hands when i am ahead. granted it's hard to read people when you are on-line. but i am giving up way too much. any advice?? | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, Mike812, 25. Jul 2003 11:20 | ||
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| hey tpir.. I wrote a lengthy response to your other question. For some reason it will not let me post it (maybe its too long). I can email it to you if you like Mike | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, tpir90036, 25. Jul 2003 11:31 | ||
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| thanks dude! send it to me at tpir90036@yahoo.com | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, Mike812, 25. Jul 2003 11:36 | ||
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| tpir I sent it to your email. See if you can post it on the site, because it wouldnt let me. Let me know if that advice helps you Mike | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, jumpthru, 25. Jul 2003 23:38 | ||
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| Could you send it to me if its about getting over playing weak tight? Thanks, webmaster@jumpthru.com on 25. Jul 2003 11:36 Mike812 wrote: > tpir > > I sent it to your email. See if you can post it on the site, because it wouldnt let me. Let > me know if that advice helps you > > Mike | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, tpir90036, 26. Jul 2003 12:01 | ||
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| it wasn't. it was from the other thread that i started called "no limits to my complaining" where i was complaining about not being able to beat the weak players in my weekly NELL game. | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, Barry T, 25. Jul 2003 11:27 | ||
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| Hi. A couple of things. First, you should remember you are playing the tournament to win. That means winning a bunch of chips at some point. If you do get all in and lose, at least you tried to get chips and can now play another tournament. Also, in general, when your opponent does have pocket nines, he will slow play. You would. So when he leads, you can fee pretty good that you have at least a very good chance to have the best hand. Reraise and see what happens. It is not humiliating to lose a hand, or bust out. It is silly, though, to muck quality hands just because they might be second on some rare occasions. This is the Monsters Under the Bed (MUB) syndrome. Sure, they might be there, but still need to go on. Just ask yourself, what would Layne Flack or Phil Ivey or Daniel Negreanau do? BarryT | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, Jav, 25. Jul 2003 11:37 | ||
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| It's hard to seperate your fears from the actual chance of people holding those hands. Especially if you've taken a couple beatings lately. NL is a very psychological game, and when you've had a bad run of cards it's easy to to get into a bad frame of mind. You just need to keep analyzing your play. The best way to combat swings in emotion is being able to rationally evaluate your play. When you know you are making the correct decisions, you can get your emotions back in check and keep playing. Good luck! | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, Mike812, 25. Jul 2003 11:34 | ||
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| This is a hard situation. If you raised pre-flop and he calls your raise, you have to put him on some kind of hand. I would play this situation differently if it were a ring game or if it were a tournament. If it were a ring game, I would prob muck If it was a tournament, I would either A) re-raise him or B) Fold. If he goes over the top of you, you are pretty much beat. If he just calls, he might be slowplaying the trip 9's but he also is the first one to bet on the turn. If he bets big again, then I most likely will fold. But, if you re-raise him, now you put him in a situation to think about his hand. He is going to think about what you have, he might put you on pocket kings and fold his hand. He might have nothing and fold, or he might have a monster hand and go all-in. You never know unless you re-raise him. | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, tpir90036, 25. Jul 2003 11:40 | ||
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| unfortunately i think i would *always* muck unless i was severely short-stacked in a tournament and needed to make some sort of move. i am just worried that all my studying of being tight and aggressive and knowing when to lay it down has turned into tight and always laying it down..... | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, palman, 25. Jul 2003 11:48 | ||
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| Yeah... I've actually noticed something similar..... As I've gotten "better" and making "better laydowns" I seem to be doing much worse profit wise. I guess being fearless is part of being successful. For example... I limp in with K7s early stages.... flop comes 653..... someone bets 20, and I'm about to fold... but with 4 callers I actually call and hope for the miracle 4. Well the 4 hits on the flop, and immediately I think my call might have been foolish cuz I may bust out to 78...... Granted on the flop someone goes all in , and I am about to much fearing all my chips to an 87.... then I look at the guy who went all in (he was the chipleader, by going all in the first hand with AJo) and had a hunch he was bluffing, maybe on a set , so I called. He turns over 23 and I doubled up. | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, jumpthru, 25. Jul 2003 13:41 | ||
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| on 25. Jul 2003 11:34 Mike812 wrote: > If it was a tournament, I would either A) re-raise him or B) Fold. If he goes over > the top of you, you are pretty much beat. So using this philophy why doesn't they other guy just go over the top EVERY time and get you to fold cause you are pretty much beat? | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, Snorbolus, 25. Jul 2003 13:56 | ||
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| Because the other guy doesn't know that you have AK and not KK, for instacnce. Snorbolus on 25. Jul 2003 13:41 jumpthru wrote: > So using this philophy why doesn't they other guy just go over the top EVERY time and get > you to fold cause you are pretty much beat? | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, jumpthru, 25. Jul 2003 18:56 | ||
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| Okay, then he wont necarily reraise you even if he does have the goods...I am just saying I guess you never know what people have for sure, and I am surpriesd the double reraise bluff isn't used more often in hold-em. on 25. Jul 2003 13:56 Snorbolus wrote: > Because the other guy doesn't know that you have AK and not KK, for instacnce. > > Snorbolus > > on 25. Jul 2003 13:41 jumpthru wrote: > > So using this philophy why doesn't they other guy just go over the top EVERY time and get > > you to fold cause you are pretty much beat? | ||
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| Re: help! i am becoming weak-tight!! :(, palman, 25. Jul 2003 11:44 | ||
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| If he had trips 9's in this situation, he would have slowplayed it... More likely he had a KQ or KJ and just wanted to test if you had a better King, hoping you had Ax and he'd just win the pot right there. Its also entirely possible he had A9 and didnt want to give the pot up, and just wanted to test if you had a K. Worst case scenario is he has K9, but is he the type of player to play K9? if he has the K9 just take your lumps as they come, write it in the notes that he plays that, and get it back from him in the future. 1st player to act pot size raises on the flop rarely means he has the goods. He could even be on a total bluff, but one of the aforementioned scenarios is more likely. | ||
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