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 correct play?, mfs, 24. Jul 2003 10:33 | ||
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| It is my first hand at a loose aggressive 4-8 holdem game(I had been watching this table for a while before I sat down. I am dealt Ac Td one off the button. Everyone limps including myself and the blinds; eight people see the flop. The flop comes 4c 5d As. The BB leads out , everyone calls, I decide to call. I didn't think a raise at this point would make anybody fold and I am not looking for a free card on the turn. The small blind calls as well and we see the turn jh. The BB bets again now everyone folds to me. I figure that I am in this until the river so I decide to raise. Maybe I can get everyone left to fold and if not then hopefully I can get a free showdown since I would probably have called a river bet anyway. The SB folded and the BB called after thinking about it for a while. The river is a Qh and the BB bets again. I am pretty sure I am beat at this point but the pot is to big to fold and for eight dollars I can get some info about this guy and possibly have the best hand. He turns over J 5 for two pair. Unfortunately I had never played with this guy so I didn't have to much info on how he played. Given this limited info do you think I played this hand correctly? What would you have done differently? Thanks | ||
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| Re: correct play?, Big_Slick, 24. Jul 2003 10:45 | ||
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| Hey mfs, The only thing you have going for you with A-10o is position. Your 10 is a fairly weak kicker. Personally, I would have folded after the flop... especially with 8 people seeing the flop and everyone calling after the BB leads out. | ||
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| Re: correct play?, Schuster, 24. Jul 2003 12:27 | ||
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| I think you have to muck the flop. The only real draws out there would be 6-7 for the straight. Usually the big blind leading into a field means he has a strong hand. The other alternative is to raise the flop and see where you are. If he checks the turn, then you know more about his hand, and if he reraises or calls and bets the turn, you know you can get away from it a lot cheaper. | ||
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| Re: correct play?, Snorbolus, 24. Jul 2003 16:33 | ||
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| This type of situation could be a big leak in my game. So I am posting to see what others think of my reasoning. It seems to me that if you are going to play ATo after a lot of limpers then you have to think about what you are hopeing to flop. If you are going to fold after you make top pair then I don't think that you should call before the flop. If you do decide to play and you make top pair then I think that you have to raise on the flop, even after an early bet and lots of callers (at a loose aggressive table). Then, if you still get action on the turn think about folding. Right now I would not call with ATo after a ton of limpers at a loose aggressive table because I wouldn't want to raise my top pair after they all called on the flop. Snorbolus on 24. Jul 2003 12:27 Schuster wrote: > I think you have to muck the flop. The only real draws out there would be 6-7 for > the straight. Usually the big blind leading into a field means he has a strong hand. > The other alternative is to raise the flop and see where you are. If he checks the > turn, then you know more about his hand, and if he reraises or calls and bets the > turn, you know you can get away from it a lot cheaper. | ||
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| Re: correct play?, beigs, 24. Jul 2003 14:58 | ||
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| What are the thoughts on this guy betting out with middle pair from EP? This is where I get into trouble because it seems like he made an ill advised bet and I start thinking that these players are always playing junk, and I stay in only to find out I was outdrawn on the turn. | ||
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| Re: correct play?, Andrew Wells, 24. Jul 2003 16:34 | ||
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| Unsuited big cards lose much of their value in multiway pots. Furthermore since you said the game was also aggressive, you need to be concerned that the button or one of the blinds will raise. That may cause another raise before it even gets back to you. But primarily because with that many players involved you probably need help from two or more board cards, I wouldn't hesitate to just muck it before the flop. | ||
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