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 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, donrhem, 24. Jul 2003 05:19 | ||
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| I have just started playing 6 person tables and I am wondering how do all of you play small pairs like 4-9. I have seen most people UTG raising and re-raising with these pairs. The MP and LP players are doing the same thing. This isn't what I am used to at a full table! Thanks, Don | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, Banning, 24. Jul 2003 05:55 | ||
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| yeah it is pretty interesting how pocket pairs become much more profitable in shorter handed play. I don't know how often I would be raising preflop with 22,33,44 but if it looks to be heads up or if I can narrow it down to heads up I might consider raising with them from the button or even earlier. Higher than those pairs I might raise with from even earlier position. Here is an interesting hand that happened one time. I don't know what the odds of this occuring were but it was pretty wild. 3 buddies and myself played some hold'em. UTG calls the blind, then next raises it, next reraises, I am big blind and have pocket aces so I cap. The UTG folds and we see flop 3 handed. The flop didn't help me, but meh, I lead with a bet, get called, then raised, I reraise call call. Then I lead call call...then I lead call call. I had pocket Aces, Small blind had QQ, Dealer had 88, and the player who folded preflop had 22. All four of us had pocket pairs and nobody got a set. The best part was that the river was a 2 I think. Pretty crazy! | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, donrhem, 24. Jul 2003 06:16 | ||
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| Banning, Thanks. I know that the value of the pairs goes up with only 6 players but when everyone is raising with any pair it gets kinda wild. I was really just wondering how everyone plays these pairs at this game. I normally wouldn't even call UTG with most of them. I will play them LP or in the blinds to see if I flop a set. Don | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, Risky Business, 24. Jul 2003 06:51 | ||
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| I don't think the pre-flop raising and re-raising is because low pocket pairs are so valuable, I just think you're running into people that want to boot out as many players as possible that are likely to have 2 overcards, thus, easily gaining the lead if paint flops. Naturally, the pair of 4's can lead into this board to represent whatever flops, but must consider folding to a raise and definitely dumps to a re-raise. Of course, there are some that will see a cheap flop (not raise pre-flop), and if there is no set, toss them away. Just different schools at work here. | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, donrhem, 24. Jul 2003 07:00 | ||
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| Hey Risky, Are you seeing this when you play? I have seen it at every table I have played in the last week. I can just play a tight ABC game and hammer them when I have the high pair. Just trying to get some ideas. Thanks, Don | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, Risky Business, 24. Jul 2003 08:02 | ||
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| You said 'high' pair. I guess you meant 'higher' pair than their lower pair. People don't realize the negative expectation they are getting into. Especially with raises in early positions to knock people out. What are they to do when they are re-raised? Has the re-raiser just given them odds to call? Very sketchy unless they're comfortable bluffing/leading with a bet once the flop comes without their set. on 24. Jul 2003 07:00 donrhem wrote: > Hey Risky, > > Are you seeing this when you play? I have seen it at every table I have played in the last week. > I can just play a tight ABC game and hammer them when I have the high pair. > > Just trying to get some ideas. > > Thanks, > Don > | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, Kurt Abele, 24. Jul 2003 07:39 | ||
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| Silly question ...what does UTG stand for? | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, donrhem, 24. Jul 2003 07:42 | ||
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| Under The Gun which is usually the person to the left of the Big Blind (BB). | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, Risky Business, 24. Jul 2003 07:58 | ||
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| ........or first to act in any round.... on 24. Jul 2003 07:42 donrhem wrote: > Under The Gun which is usually the person to the left of the Big Blind (BB). > | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, bane277, 25. Jul 2003 11:04 | ||
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| maybe my idea is wrong but with smaller or lower pairs i like to be in either first position or the first person to bet so i can raise before anyone else has the chance...i personally find for me it has been better to drive out as many players as possible... and to bet into the flop no matter what comes so i can represent that i either made my hand or i have a high pocket pair and if i get raised i will most likely fold unless a maniac is raising me in which case i will sometimes reraise...am i wrong in doing this?...i dont think many people play this way but let me know what you think bane277 | ||
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| Re: 3/6 HE 6 player tables-Small Pairs, Snorbolus, 25. Jul 2003 11:42 | ||
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| Bane, What do you do if you raise your small pair early, manage to limit the feild a little (perehaps 3 callers) and then get called when you lead into them on the flop? Do you lead out again, check-call or check-fold on the turn? Unless you are against players who will usually either fold (if they have nothing), or raise (with top pair or better) on the flop I don't much like this play because it leaves you in a bad position on the turn. If you are against the sort of opposition who will often fold to your lead on the flop, why do you need a small pair to make the play? In the games I play, many players will very often flat call bets with anything from overcards to two pair or better. If no ace or king flops they are likely to put a pre-flop raiser on AK and call them down with any pair. If paint does flop and pairs somebody they are likely to forget all about the pre-flop raise because they like the look of their own pair so much. I am not saying yours is a bad play, just that I don't like it much against the kind of opponents I frequently encounter. Snorbolus on 25. Jul 2003 11:04 bane277 wrote: > maybe my idea is wrong but with smaller or lower pairs i like to be in either first position or the > first person to bet so i can raise before anyone else has the chance...i personally find for me it has > been better to drive out as many players as possible... and to bet into the flop no matter what comes so > i can represent that i either made my hand or i have a high pocket pair and if i get raised i will most > likely fold unless a maniac is raising me in which case i will sometimes reraise...am i wrong in doing > this?...i dont think many people play this way but let me know what you think > > bane277 | ||
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