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 complete newbie, Oscarooni, 23. Jul 2003 07:24 | ||
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| Myself and a couple of buddies are having a poker night soon, something that we hope to do once a month. Like the novice Japaneese golfer I have completly kitted myself out with a card table chips etc without much idea of what im doing. Now I have read and understand the rules of the game, who does what and when and winning hands. However I am still confused about the betting procedure. Now if 6 players are at the table and somone opens the betting with say a doller,3 players call and the fourth raises from say a dollar to a doller 50 cents what must the next player put in the pot to stay in? Presumably $1.50? and if you get around to the guy who opened the betting with calls what must he pay to stay in? will it be just 50cents as he has already bet $1.......I know you guys must think me a fool....but can you help. Oscar. | ||
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| Re: complete newbie, jdavidk, 23. Jul 2003 07:36 | ||
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| You have it completely correct on how the betting goes. Here is a little scenario using your example Player 1 - opens with $1.00 Player 2 - Calls $1.00 Player 3 - Calls $1.00 Player 4 - Calls $1.00 Player 5 - Calls $1.00 - raises $0.50 Player 6 - Calls $1.50 Player 1 - Calls $0.50 Player 2 - Calls $0.50 Player 3 - Calls $0.50 Player 4 - Calls $0.50 Player 5 - Play continues Player 6 Here is another example Player 1 - opens with $1.00 Player 2 - Calls $1.00 Player 3 - Calls $1.00 - raises $1.00 Player 4 - Calls $2.00 Player 5 - Calls $2.00 - raises $0.50 Player 6 - Calls $2.50 Player 1 - Calls $1.50 Player 2 - Calls $1.50 Player 3 - Calls $0.50 - raises $1.00 Player 4 - Calls $1.50 Player 5 - Calls $1.00 Player 6 - Calls $1.00 Player 1 - Calls $1.00 Player 2 - Calls $1.00 Player 3 - Play Continues Player 4 - Player 5 - Player 6 - | ||
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| Re: complete newbie, Oscarooni, 23. Jul 2003 07:55 | ||
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| Thanks for the advice, I will print out and study. It seems really confusing (yes jackass i know). How on earth do you keep up with what each person has bet. When you watch the pros on telly or in films they seem to zip round the table with "I see your....and I raise you...." but it looks like we will have to conciously keep remembering what we had bet privously. What I want to achieve is an easy to and throw game where we can concentrate on the cards. Any ideas..........Oscar | ||
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| Re: complete newbie, TKarrde, 23. Jul 2003 07:39 | ||
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| Yes, you are correct in your assumptions. I know how much fun it is throwing your money INTO the pot. But you would all be better to put your bets in FRONT of you to keep track of how much each person has bet. Once the round of betting is done combine all the bets into the middle pot. And all though in a home game you can do it anyway you want, typically a RAISE must be equal to or greater than the current bet. So if the bet is $1 you would not be able to raise to $1.50 but would be able to raise to $2. But do whatever your group wants. Just stay consistent. Good lucky with your games! TKarrde "The next best thing to playing and winning, is playing and losing." | ||
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| Re: complete newbie, MozMan, 23. Jul 2003 12:51 | ||
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| Hey- Don't feel bad. I play about twenty hours a week, and still sometimes get confused when the action starts to happen fast... The other responses you got here are good ones, and you are right on the money. I just wanted to make one little suggestion: Don't let anyone spash the pot (throw their money directly into the pot so it mixes in before anybody can see how much there really is). Make sure every one places their bets in front of them and separate. Once whoever is dealing verifies that all the bets are correct, then he can scoop them all into the pot together. This just helps avoid confusion, and makes it a lot easier to see just how much each player must put up to stay in. -Moz "May your chips never fall from a cow." | ||
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| Re: complete newbie, stdioh, 23. Jul 2003 14:02 | ||
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| First off, it is always good to hear of new people becoming interested in poker. The best way to learn is to play with other people who don't know how to play and read books. Now you'll be better than them and can start to build a poker bankroll. You'll be able to use that eventually against real players and losing it won't hurt to much while you learn to play real poker. First, before you do anything go to a big bookstore near you and buy a copy of Poker for Dummies. It'll tell you everything you need to know about the basic rules and will also tell you about basic strategy. It, after you have read that, you still want to learn (and I hope you do) the next book you should buy is the Lee Jones low limit hold'em book. Now, when you are playing you generally want to play one of the following betting structures: Limit, No limit, or Pot limit. Here is how the betting works in each one. Limit: You set a small bet and a big bet for the game and action can be check/call, bet/raise, or fold. Bets and raises are of exactly the specified amount. Thus the following could be a betting round in $1-$2 limit: Joe checks, Suzie bets $1, Carl calls $1, Geoff raises to $2, Mike folds, Joe folds, Suzie calls $1, Carl calls $1. In hold'em, the betting rounds are for a small bet preflop and on the flop and a big bet on the turn and river. That means that in the first two betting rounds all bets are of $1 and on the next 2 betting rounds all bets are of $2. It is a good idea to have the two limits so that late round bets can still fold off players even with the bigger pot. Now, no limit allows any bet of the smallest amount or larger up to all the money you have on the table. Nobody can be raised out of a pot, which means that if you have $5 on the table and somebody bets $10 you can call for $5. If you two are the only players in the hand he takes back $5, otherwise there is a sidepot that you cannot share in. Pot limit works like no limit, but the maximum bet you can make is the size of the current pot. Thus if there is $5 in the pot and Joe bets $3, you can make the bet $14. (you call Joe's $3 and then raise $11 - the size of the pot now). In no limit and pot limit any raise must be at least the size of the last raise. This is important. If I bet $2, you cannot raise to $2.25. You could raise to $4 or to more than $4, but you couldn't raise my bet than less than my bet. Likewise if you bet $2 and I raise to $10, if you want to reraise me, you must reraise to at least $18. Another important rule is the one chip rule. Generally if a player throws in a single chip that is bigger than the bet to him this constitutes a call and he is to be returned change, but if he throws in 2 chips or more it constitutes a raise. Likewise, there is a rule against string bets. If you call then you cannot raise after calling. You have to show that you intend to raise immediately. Thus if somebody bets $2, you can't say, "I see your $2 and raise you $2". You would have to say, "Raise. I'll make it $4" The easiest way to make sure you don't screw this up is to first announce a raise and then decide how much it'll be. Make sure that all players know the rules before you start as you don't want to have to deal with them in the middle of a hand. Also, make sure that if you are playng pot or no limit that there is a maximum buy-in. It makes for an unfair game if everybody comes with $50 and one player shows up with $500. Make the maximum buy-in something that everybody can afford. | ||
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| Re: complete newbie, LKP, 24. Jul 2003 23:46 | ||
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| I know you've gotten a lot of input already, but here is my way of thinking about things. I've taught a few friends of mine how to play, and this seems to be the easiest explanation: Everyone has to have an equal amount in to "call". So don't worry about this person put in a dollar, this person 1.50, this person 2.50. Instead, just have everybody put their chips in front of them. The betting continues around until all the piles are equal. The moment everyone has equal chips in, then the betting round is done (So you would now turn over the flop if this were holdem). If your stack isn't equal to everyone else's (i.e. they have raised and you now have to call) then you can either fold, call, or raise. A person can not raise, have everyone call him, and then raise again: Once the last person calls, everyone's chip stacks are equal and the betting is done. Once the stacks are equal, all the chips get moved to the middle to be in the pot, and then the betting begins anew. | ||
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