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 Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats, mroban, 22. Jul 2003 14:21 | ||
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| This sounds funny, but I have been practicing a lot on my Wilson Turbo Tourney holdem and have been taking an exceptional amount of really bad beats. Obviously its just a computer program, but far more often than not when I make a "great call", have the advantage, only to get sucked out. I don't mind so much as it is a training device, and it helps me see the dangers in certain situations, but has anyone else experienced this? As a result, I usually end up more or less short stacked at the final table (or worse get busted out early) and have to always play from behind. Just curious if anyone else has found this. It also seems to happen most often when I make plays that perhaps are not textbook sound plays, but were "gut feeling" plays that I had the advantage. Example: Late in a simulated NL tournament structured like an online tournament (300 players, T1000 to start) I have T2000, the blinds are 100-200 and I am dealt JJ in early position. I went all in, trying to steal the blinds, risky from an early position. I get called by the BB who had A-3 offsuit. The flop came J-4-T. The turn was a 2 and the river was a 5. So I get busted out after hitting my set and having the better starting hand with a runner, runner straight. Is that perhaps the program punishing me for making an unsound or risky play? If so, maybe that is a good thing! Truth of the matter is, I wouldn't make that same play in a real tournament unless I was really sure the table had gotten very tight. No way to know that playing Turbo. Anyway, just curious if anyone else has similar experiences with the program. | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats, Jav, 22. Jul 2003 14:48 | ||
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| Just remember the old sports saying, practice how you play. Or is that you play how you practice? Regardless the point is there is no benefit to practicing playing poker in a way that you think would be bad to do with real money and real competitors involved. | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats, beigs, 22. Jul 2003 15:13 | ||
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| I believe the other quote is, "Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT PRACTICE makes perfect." on 22. Jul 2003 14:48 Jav wrote: > Just remember the old sports saying, practice how you play. Or is that you play how > you practice? > > Regardless the point is there is no benefit to practicing playing poker in a way > that you think would be bad to do with real money and real competitors involved. | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats, mroban, 22. Jul 2003 16:28 | ||
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| I do practice exactly as I play. BUT... The great thing about the use of the software is that you can test different theories and apply certain plays that you might not be comfortable with yet in a real game, but that is what the software is for exactly. So its true that you should practice how you play, but using practice to perfect your play sometimes involves trying things that you might not be 100% comfortable with. Thats the best way to figure out if it works or not. How can you get better if you don't do that? | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats, stdioh, 22. Jul 2003 16:30 | ||
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| With TTH, you can play so many hands so very very fast that the bad beats seem to come too often. They don't. | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats ( IS A SCAM ), chasepoker, 22. Jul 2003 17:34 | ||
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| WILSOM TURBO TOURNY HOLD EM IS FIXED WAIT FOR THE CNN REPORT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats ( IS A SCAM ), Tex, 22. Jul 2003 17:42 | ||
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| ROTFLMFAO!!! | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats ( IS A SCAM ), Mojo702, 22. Jul 2003 18:07 | ||
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| Dammit!! You beat me!!! | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats ( IS A SCAM ), mroban, 22. Jul 2003 18:44 | ||
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| funny stuff | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats ( IS A SCAM ), Don Quixote, 23. Jul 2003 08:02 | ||
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| LOL....good one chase. mroban probably thinks it is a bad beat when he takes KK up against AK and Broadway comes on the river hehe, sorry, mroban, I just couldnt resist :-) Don Quixote on 22. Jul 2003 17:34 chasepoker wrote: > WILSOM TURBO TOURNY HOLD EM IS FIXED WAIT FOR THE CNN REPORT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats ( IS A SCAM ), mroban, 23. Jul 2003 13:25 | ||
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| Don: Whats with the hating?????? No, I don't think that would be a bad beat for the record. This was supposed to be a tongue in cheek posting, not a serious commentary suggesting that Wilson is rigged. I really am looking to know if people using the softward find it to accurately reflect true tournament experience and play and how the software is designed. Do I sound like that much of a moron? Yikes. | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats ( IS A SCAM ), MozMan, 23. Jul 2003 14:43 | ||
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| I got the impression that Don was just playing along with you... all in fun, ya know? :P -Moz "May your chips never fall from a cow." | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats ( IS A SCAM ), mroban, 23. Jul 2003 15:57 | ||
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| I guess...but it seemed as though my post was taken a bit too seriously about "bad beats" on a software program and not seriously with regard to my real question about others experience with it (except by stdioh). | ||
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| Re: Wilson Turbo Tourney Holdem Bad Beats ( IS A SCAM ), Nathaniel Brous, 23. Jul 2003 19:08 | ||
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| Hey mroban. You have hit upon something that I really enjoy (and have learned a great deal from) about the Wilson program. When I first started with it, I had to suspend disbelief at some of the things that happened during a computer tournament. As my knowledge of tournament poker increased, I began to see that these things DO occur in real tournaments, with a greater frequency that I had ever imagined. Not the exact nature that you have described, but amazing drawouts none the less. You can incorporate this knowledge into your game plan and prepare for the worst (don't read as play scared). My biggest gain from this program was the knowledge of how much luck is involved in winning a "real" tournament. Because it is a program, there are natural flaws that you can take advantage of. (Side note: They are much more pronounced in the WSOP Masque Program than in Wilson's though.) Realize that in real tournaments you take a similar advantage with your "reads" of opponents. I would suggest that you shift the settings so to take full advantage of the program. When I was using it consistently, I had several different people, each with its own format. Each format (buyin, blinds, time, players involved) required a different outlook for continued success (making the top three). Back to real tournaments...I would estimate that on average, MORE THAN half of all final tables are composed of people who at one time or another (during the tourney) had a massive (crucial) "suckout" on someone. I don't think many people are aware (or believe) this. One example...Chris Ferguson would not be a World Champion today if his pair of sixes didn't outdraw his opponent's 77's. I don't think it was even mentioned in the coverage of the final table (granted it happened before the final). Tournament programs can really speed the progress of an aspiring tournament player. The Wilson program is the best out there (please chime in if you think differently), and has helped thousands of players achieve better results at a fraction of the "real" cost. That being said...I will leave with Cloutier's quote to Jim McManus "There is a lot of luck in poker...you better get used to it." And to answer your question...yes, I have had similar experiences with it. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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