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 A8 on button short stacked, muriel palacci, 22. Jul 2003 08:52 | ||
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| I am on the button with A8 off and only UTG(first position after BB with 7000) calls. Everyone else folds . I have only 800 and blinds are 100/200. I need to play something so I call only. My reasoning is as follows: I put the UTG player on a draw or small pair, I thought that he would raise with A9 or better or a mid sized or better pair to thin full table out. He had a lot of money so I didn't think a raise to 400 would get him out. I didn't want to risk going all in with this hand eighter and that may have been my error. The BB, UTG and me(button) see the flop A 6 2 rainbow. The two players in front check and I go all in figuring the flop did not hit UTG player. UTG player calls and turns over A6 (two pair). Any advise on how I played ? | ||
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| Re: A8 on button short stacked, MozMan, 22. Jul 2003 08:57 | ||
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| muriel- Given the situation, I would either have gone all-in pre-flop or folded. As it turns out, I would have lost if I had gone all-in, because I think the UTG chip-leader would have called and caught his 2-pair. I think folding this off is an option tho, as you are OTB, and have 7 more hands to come before you must post a blind, and can still do another orbit or two, if nothing better comes along. It may be worth waiting for any pair to push all-in. -Moz "May your chips never fall from a cow." | ||
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| Re: A8 on button short stacked, Roy Cooke, 22. Jul 2003 09:29 | ||
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| Hi Muriel I would probably not play the hand.....The reasoning behind you call (That he would raise with A9 or better) does have some value. But you have many hands in which to wait for a better situation. Taking on chip leaders with a short stack loses much of the bluffing potential of a hand. If I do chose to play that hand I would raise all-in and try to pick up $500 without a flop.....You likely would not have won anyway against the chip leader. Roy Cooke on 22. Jul 2003 08:52 muriel palacci wrote: > I am on the button with A8 off and only UTG(first position after BB with 7000) > calls. Everyone else folds . I have only 800 and blinds are 100/200. I need to > play something so I call only. My reasoning is as follows: > I put the UTG player on a draw or small pair, I thought that he would raise > with A9 or better or a mid sized or better pair to thin full table out. He had > a lot of money so I didn't think a raise to 400 would get him out. I didn't want > to risk going all in with this hand eighter and that may have been my error. > The BB, UTG and me(button) see the flop A 6 2 rainbow. The two players in front > check and I go all in figuring the flop did not hit UTG player. UTG player calls > and turns over A6 (two pair). Any advise on how I played ? | ||
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| Re: A8 on button short stacked, Oxford3, 22. Jul 2003 09:31 | ||
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| You shouldnt have played the hand at all! | ||
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| Re: A8 on button short stacked, shorn, 22. Jul 2003 09:34 | ||
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| You must fold this. You have enough for almost 3 more full laps and this holding is too marginal to risk the rest of your chips (which you are doing if the Big Stack play correctly) to any flop. If you flop an Ace, can you really go all-in with any confidence? No. Wait for a better spot as your chips are too valuable at this point to throw away on a trash hand. | ||
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| Re: A8 on button short stacked, 4 POKER, 22. Jul 2003 09:48 | ||
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| I agree with shorn here. If you were at the point where your blind was coming up, I would have pushed all in with the hand because with only $800 left and the blinds being $100-200, any Ace at that point could have very well been your last best hand. But given the fact that you were on the button, you still had enough hands to wait for a better spot to put your chips in with. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: A8 on button short stacked, SendMoney, 22. Jul 2003 10:21 | ||
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| Considering your stack size relative to the blinds relative to the bigger stacks this hand could have gone one of two ways: You go all in before the flop, he calls you lose. You go all in after the flop, he calls you lose. You couldn't have played it any differently, it's just bad luck. | ||
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| Re: A8 on button short stacked, Andrew Wells, 22. Jul 2003 16:19 | ||
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| Without the UTG player in the hand, I would push all-in against the blinds with A8. I'd like to win it without a flop, but don't mind just one of the blinds coming in. The difference with your example is that the player UTG has already called, and this makes it considerably less likely that you can win the pot without a flop. Furthermore, an all-in raise with the blinds this high could easily leave you up against two opponents. You generally don't want to have to beat two or more players when you make a despairation move, even though winning means tripling through. Also, an all-in move in your position (should either or both players in the blinds have decent stacks) may be reraised to shut out the player UTG. If that happens, your A8 is not looking good at all. I would save the all-in play for a pocket pair, or a situation where you have a greater chance of everyone folding. Suppose you wait and get something like JT next hand with everyone folding to you. That's a better place to move all-in with the same number of opponents yet to act. The big stack may call you here as well on the big blind, but I like JT against a random hand over A8 against an early limp regardless. | ||
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