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 NL tournament hand. Where did I go wrong?, mroban, 20. Jul 2003 14:02 | ||
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| Hey guys, lately I have gotten "nusted" (love that word Wren) out of 3 straight NL tournaments (one being by Diogenes with AK against my KK). Last night, in a UB $10 tournament against 300 players, the blinds were at 100-200 and I only had T1500. I had won a big hand early doubling up with AA and won small pots with another AA and a KK. I was up to T2200 at one point, but couldn't get a hand and was just folding hands, getting blinded down. The tournament leaders were at T12000 I think. I was in 97th place out of 120 when I look down and see AK of clubs. AK suited and Big Slick have just positively been killing me on both sides lately - I have been bounced out of 2 tournaments holding them and bounced out of another against them. Here, I was determined to win with them. But I think I really blew the hand big time. I was UTG+3. UTG 1 and 2 fold and I raise the pot 3x blind to $300. Everyone folds except the BB who flat calls me. This guy had just been relocated to my table so I didn't have a good read on him, but his chip count was about the same as mine, perhaps a little larger. So I pegged him as either a mediocre player or a very conservative player. The flop comes 9-9-6 rainbow (with one club). Fearing that he made either a set, or an overpair up (or even 4 9s, however unlikely) I check thinking that I will just shut it down when he comes back with a big bet. But then a weird thing happend. He bet out the minimum $100. Hmmm. My gut feeling screamed that he didn't have a pair and was trying to get me to fold with minimal risk. So I decided that my AK was the best hand at that point and came back over the top for another $300 leaving me with $900. I figured he would fold. Wrong. Flat called me again. So I ruled out a set or 4 9s, because surely he would come back over the top of me, right? The turn brings an 8 but it was a club and now I had a four flush to go with my AK of clubs. I decide that I had the best of it (I doubt he was calling me with T-7) and go all in. If he had AA or KK I think he would have played this hand very differently (would have reraised for sure) and probably even with QQ or JJ. To my surprise (and chagrin) he calls me, but then I crack a big smile when I see him turn up Q-J offsuit. Damn, this guy called three decent size raises with nothing but a Q high? Of course, on the river, he hits a red Ten and I am busted out of the tournament. I just steamed for an hour afterward. How could this guy make that call? Having said that, I think I made several mistakes and played the hand badly (even though I made the "right" call). Mistake 1: As Cloutier says, when you miss your hand with AK, shut it down, you don't have a hand. So, with only an Ace high on the flop (and only a backdoor flush possibility) I should have folded his raise (however feeble). He could have been trapping me and goading me into a bigger raise. I got lucky there. Mistake 2: On the flop, I should have gone all in. I gave him the chance to pick up the straight draw on the turn, even though I made a decent reraise. He obviously interpreted my check to him as weakness and my reraise while the same as my first raise, still didn't blow him off the hand. He only had to call at that point for 30% of his chips so in his mind he could call and if he didn't pick up the straight draw, he might still beat me by hitting an overcard. Not sure he made a terrible play. Mistake 3: Why go all in on the river? He obviously is drawing to something and doesn't want to fold. I considered checking on the river to see what he would do (most likely check) but was afraid that would display weakness (which is what I was). I do not think he could have called an all in bet either preflop or on the flop. So clearly I blew it there. I played the hand half way, trying not to lose, rather than playing to win. Anybody want to disagree with me? I really think I did everything possible to lose that hand. The only thing I did right was peg him on a weak drawing hand. Having said that, what gives going runner, runner on me like that? I guess the poker gods punish abysmal play (which makes sense). Appreciate any insights here. | ||
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| Re: NL tournament hand. Where did I go wrong?, Andrew Wells, 20. Jul 2003 20:06 | ||
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| With the blinds at 100-200 you would like your preflop raise from early position to be something like 600-800 instead of 300. 300 is not 3X the blinds, it is 1X. You are also short at 1500, so it wouldn't be so terrible to just shove all-in with your suited slick at first opportunity. You either make a stand, or grab your forthcoming blinds. Since an appropriate raise would leave you having to go all-in against someone who comes over the top anyway, it's not bad to just make the all-in play yourself. Since you made a small raise and flopped nothing, I would check and let it go to any action due to your short stack. You would have enough left to see if you get a better hand/flop later. | ||
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| Re: NL tournament hand. Where did I go wrong?, shorn, 21. Jul 2003 05:43 | ||
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| I agree with Andrew here. It wouldn't be a bad thing to go all-in pre-flop given your stack or make an actual 3x bet of the BB. But, once the flop comes and you have essentially nothing, you have to fold to any action. This late in the tournament it is again about protecting the chips you have left so that when you do have something, you have some chips to throw at the pot and hopefully meaningfully double up. I would have made a $600 raise pre-flop and if called, would have shut down with that flop, folding to any bet. | ||
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| Re: NL tournament hand. Where did I go wrong?, mroban, 21. Jul 2003 06:32 | ||
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| Thanks guys, I totally agree. Seems I had a winnable hand here and blew it, or at the very least , could have stayed in the tournament with T900 and gotten another chance or two to double up later on. Appreciate the thoughts. | ||
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