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 Your thoughts please., mongi, 19. Jul 2003 12:54 | ||
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| I was playing in a loose-passive 4-8 holdem game. I limp in with KQ offsuite from late middle position after a couple limpers. Seven players see the flop for one bet. The flop comes J J T rainbow. Everyone checks, the button bets everyone folds to me I decide to fold. My question is do you think I should have taken one card off there for one small bet. I personally try to avoid situations were I could possibly be drawing dead. The person that bet was a solid player and could have something like JT JA J9. My King and Queen may not be clean outs if he was betting a draw. If I called the flop and checked again on the turn and he bet I would only be getting slightly over 5-1 pot odds to try to hit my straight on the river. Yes he could have been betting the ten, but even then I could hit my straight on the turn and then get outdrawn on the river. My chance of calling the flop and getting a free card on the turn was unlikely in this heads-up situation. I would have been more inclined to call if there were other callers giving me better odds and protection from being outplayed by the single opponent. I thought about check-raising him, however, this would have looked suspicious given my position to him. I didn't bet out in this situation believing that this flop must have hit someone and wanting to see my draw as cheaply as possible. I would love to here your comments. Thanks Mongi | ||
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| Re: Your thoughts please., Roy Cooke, 19. Jul 2003 14:17 | ||
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| Hi Mongi How I would play this situation would depend upon the texture of my opponent. If I thought I could get him to fold a ten or thought he might be on a draw I would either check-raise and bet or call and bet. I would use whichever play I thought had the higher value. If I knew he held a legit hand and would not fold, I would at least take one card off. You are getting a current 8-1 (and greater implied odds) with 8 possible wins against 39 misses (less than 5-1). I understand you may still lose, but the value of making the hand is overall greater than the value of making the hand and losing. Thereby, adding implied odds value! The pot is overlaying you odds by quite a bit. How to play the turn is a different issue............He may check a weak hand thereby giving you two cards for the price of a small bet. If he bets again I will base the decision on the propensity of him to have given hands. If he bets again and would only bet a Jack...then you have a tough call. You are drawing mighty slim to J9 and AJ. If he would bet a T or be bluffing you have many wins and may even want to raise. Like most poker situations how I play these situations is how I think my opponents are going to react....Heads-up poker is a lot of play-counterplay. Figure out their range of hands....what play plays the best...and pull the trigger on the play. Oh, I forgot...pray it works :-)! Roy Cooke. on 19. Jul 2003 12:54 mongi wrote: > I was playing in a loose-passive 4-8 holdem game. I limp in with KQ offsuite > from late middle position after a couple limpers. Seven players see the flop for > one bet. The flop comes J J T rainbow. Everyone checks, the button bets everyone > folds to me I decide to fold. > > My question is do you think I should have taken one card off there for one > small bet. I personally try to avoid situations were I could possibly be drawing > dead. The person that bet was a solid player and could have something like JT JA > J9. My King and Queen may not be clean outs if he was betting a draw. If I > called the flop and checked again on the turn and he bet I would only be getting > slightly over 5-1 pot odds to try to hit my straight on the river. Yes he could > have been betting the ten, but even then I could hit my straight on the turn and > then get outdrawn on the river. My chance of calling the flop and getting a free > card on the turn was unlikely in this heads-up situation. I would have been more > inclined to call if there were other callers giving me better odds and > protection from being outplayed by the single opponent. > > I thought about check-raising him, however, this would have looked suspicious > given my position to him. > > I didn't bet out in this situation believing that this flop must have hit > someone and wanting to see my draw as cheaply as possible. > > I would love to here your comments. > > Thanks > > Mongi | ||
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| Re: Your thoughts please., Mark, 19. Jul 2003 22:09 | ||
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| I agree with Roy in your situation. However, If i was on the button and he was in late position, i would definately raise him (unless he was a super tight player). This may cause him to fold immediately or get a free card on the turn. Mark | ||
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| Re: Your thoughts please., Asher, 21. Jul 2003 12:18 | ||
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| I would check-raise the flop and lead the turn. Its much easier to move a knowledgeable opponent off a hand like 88 or KQ when the board is paired. I like your chances with this agressive approach when your opponent holds a small or medium pair, KQ or AT. I would release the hand if: my opponent 3 bet the flop and I didnt improve on the turn, or, if I was raised on the turn regardless if I improved or not. Asher. | ||
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