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 O8 advice needed, Kid, 18. Jul 2003 22:16 | ||
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| Hey guys, I've just started playing O8 this past week and was looking for some advice on trap hands. How would you guys normally play a hand like top two pair against an average size field. I know I should tighten up when the low draw is there, but how do you play when you have A9, and the flop comes A94. Also, should hands like 2nd set be treated as drawing hands when the low draw is out there. I think I'm losing too many bets by overplaying weak made hands. Thanks for the help, KID | ||
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| Re: O8 advice needed, Barry T, 19. Jul 2003 03:45 | ||
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| Hi. Two pair in Omaha/8 is typically a useless hand. Two pair is a hand you end up with after your primary chances miss, not a hand you want to play and hope it holds up. Let's look at your example. Any 2,3 or 5 puts a wheel out there. Any other low card takes away half the pot and also puts another straight draw on the board. If no low cards come, then a K, Q, J or 10 means you may no longer have the best two pair, and also makes lots of straights on the river if no low comes. The chances of your winning anything depends on your hitting a full house and that asumes you are not drawing dead already. I hope this helps. BarryT | ||
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| Re: O8 advice needed, 4 POKER, 19. Jul 2003 05:03 | ||
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| Hey, It's important in Omaha 8 to always flop either the nut low or nut high hand or the nut low draw or high draw with many different re-draws. Even if your starting hand is a premium hand, if when the flop comes up and you don't flop a "Nut" hand or a draw to one...you really must take extreme caution with your hand now. Flopping two pair in this game without a draw to either side of the hand (nut low/nut flush) should not even continue with any of the betting or calling. Heads up play may be a little different because your holding may be strong enough to continue with (providing the turn card does not decrease the value of your own hand)..but, when the pot is multi-way, and many times it will be....you should really be looking to fold your hand on the flop and wait for a better opportunity for when you do flop really strong, like..the nut low, the nut low draw/with back up to other nut hands....the nut flush, the nut straight and *all* with re-draws. Flopping sets in Omaha 8 can be a real trap for many players. If you flop a set, even top set....if you have no other re-draw to the hand, like flopping a set with also the nut low draw, or flopping a set with the nut flush draw as well.....once the turn card comes....if it brings the low, or if it now brings a made straight or flush....unless you have a nut low to go with it, you really should consider on folding here because basically, once the low comes, you are at best drawing to half of the pot, and the betting and raising that might take place now, will not be worth it ($) for you to even bother to try and hit your full-house on the river card. That's why it's so important that when the flop comes up, you are either *drawing* to a nut side of the hand (high or low), or you have flopped it already. There's thousands of combinational hands in Omaha, and with several players involved.....they'll just be too many cards that can come up now to really decrease your own chances for continuing unless you flop a nut or nut draw. It's all about drawing to the nuts with re-draw to even a better hand. (flopping the nut straight with re-draw to the nut flush and/or the nut low to go along with it. The game requires alot of patience and discipline because you must know when to fold if your hand doesn't allow you enough "outs" to continue and sometimes.... when the low gets there and you're sitting there with a set or two pair....you really should be surrendering your hand and save those bets for when you do hold a nut hand. If you're starting hand is A-2-x-x and you get counterfeited, (meaning an Ace or the deuce hits the flop), the hand should be mucked. Long story short.....you ALWAYS want to flop a nut or nut draw and have re-draws to go along with it. Don't even waste your money with two pair on the flop....put your money in when you flop nut hands or hands that have really strong potential to improve. The more you play this game, the more you'll realize how much of a "Nut game" (no pun intended) it really is, because the nuts are always out there and believe me, with many players seeing the flop, *someone* will have a nut hand. P.s. I think I used the word "Nut"......at least 50 times! Oh well. Good luck to you. Hope this helps. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: O8 advice needed, stdioh, 21. Jul 2003 10:32 | ||
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| Top two pair in O8 is total trash. You're playing for half the pot if a low comes and you are almost certain to be up against a set. If no low comes, you'll definitely get somebody else with a bigger 2 pair than you. If you aren't there will be draws out there to make any staight or flush that materializes. Where you can play this is if you have other outs. Lets say that your A allows you a backdoor nut flush draw and that you also have a gutshot-nutshot to go with it. Like if you are holding TJQA and flop AT4 with a backdoor but flush draw. Now you've got outs to aces full and to tens full of aces, either of which has a good chance of holding up if you hit it. You've got a small chance of being good right now and you have a chance of hitting another pair on the turn which makes somebody a straight, but leaves you with more tight outs and you might catch a flush draw. In general though, 2 pair is something you should almost always throw away. If you have AK for 2 pair you can think about holding on, but really O8 hands are almost never won by anything worse than a set. | ||
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