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 Was I too aggresive with KK?, Dr_Monkey, 18. Jul 2003 04:30 | ||
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| Playing $25 NL table on empire last night. New to the table. I am SB and get KK. Person in late position was new to table and had to post BB. Everyone folded to him and he checked. I raised to $1. BB and LP both call. Not a great pot to be holding KK. Flop comes Q 8 3 rainbow. I am extremely worried that the other 2 players are holding a Ace so I don't want to slow play for fear of an A on the turn or river. I bet $2. Both fold and I win the pot. Are my worries of losing to AA justified? I am pretty sure that the odds are in my favor of an Ace not showing up. I got the feeling that both players just called my raise because they posted the BB not because they had strong cards. | ||
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| Re: Was I too aggresive with KK?, shorn, 18. Jul 2003 05:08 | ||
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| I think you took the pot when you should have. Slow playing KK in a game like this with that flop can only get you into trouble. Basically, you should slowplay if: your hand is very strong, the next card has a good chance of making someone else a second best hand but LITTLE chance of making them a better hand, the pot is not too large. Now, I grant you that at least 1 of those three was present (small pot). However, the second part was clearly not and so you shouldn't risk letting one of the others catch an Ace on the turn for free to beat you. I think an example of a hand that you would slowplay with that flop is QQ. Now, an Ace or a K on the turn could give someone what they think is top pair or twopair which is what you want. But, with what you described, i think taking the pot was the right way to go. Steve | ||
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| Re: Was I too aggresive with KK?, beigs, 18. Jul 2003 08:42 | ||
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| Conventional wisdom seems to say, play aggressively if there's a chance the next card can beat you. I just read Super System and the line "With AA or KK you will either win a small pot or lose a big pot," really rings true. Of course, this aggressiveness always seems to bite me in the butt in the ring games where everyone calls everything anyway and then draws that card that you were trying to avoide. Such is life, I suppose. | ||
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| Re: Was I too aggresive with KK?, Guru, 18. Jul 2003 09:35 | ||
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| Dr. Monkey, I agree that your play was good. I've really learned to cut back on the slowplay unless I have the nuts or a hand that is extremely unlikely to be beaten. The odds were that one of you opponents had an A and you would have been beat if one came on the board. I remember reading an article in Mike Caro's Poker School that talks about this kind of situation. He says that the simplest play is usually the best and too many players suffer from "fancy play syndrome" where they try some elaborate strategy to milk out extra chips from a mark only to get outdrawn. When you can get a pot, do so. Leave slowplays for when you can't be beat. Guru | ||
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| Re: Was I too aggresive with KK?, Scrubbie, 18. Jul 2003 11:59 | ||
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| I liked your $1 raise pre-flop here too. I think your pre-flop move is as important as your post flop actions. If you had bet anymore than a buck, everyone would have folded and you would have won nothing. If you tried to limp, you may not have gotten the respect you needed, which might have lead to someone calling your large FLOP bet, and then sucking out on you. I feel you made the "most" money given your situation! (that is all a poker player can ask for) Speaking of pre-flop betting ... that brings up a good point ... With the blinds being sooooooooo small in a $25 On-Line No Limit game, playing A-A and K-K is quite different than it would be in a normal game environment. (Normal game environment, meaning larger Blinds) In a "large" blind format, you would need to "raise" heavily with your painted pockets pre-flop, ensuring heads up play. The problem with raising in the $25 No Limit game is that if you raise more than a buck, everyone folds. Limping (with the intention to trap) can get you in trouble, unless you are in late position and everyone has folded to you. In early position, $1 to $3 seems to be the best raise, unless you have a super loose pre-flop calling table. (and even $3 is too much sometimes) Anyone have any other thoughts on Pre-flop betting on the $25 No Limit tables? Scrubbie "I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three" | ||
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