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 Pot Limit Scenario, shorn, 15. Jul 2003 10:47 | ||
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| PL game in a B&M; $5, $5 blinds, full table. I am in MP with AJs. First three players limp, I limp, folded to button who calls, SB raises to $10, BB calls and we all call. 7 handed for $70. Flop comes A94 rainbow. Checked to me. I bet the pot. I get two callers, one in the SB, the other UTG. Turn is 7 (still rainbow). It is checked to me again. Now, I have been flat called for $70 by two folks here, so I don't think my play is to bet out again on the off chance that someone flopped a set and was slowplaying. I decide that my best play is to see the river for free and then re-evaluate. So, I check. River is a T. No flush on the board and only the very outside chance of a J8 straight (which i doubt becauase both players were solid and would not have called the flop with that). SB bets the pot ($210), UTG folds. Thought on what I should do (I have roughly $400 in front of me). | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, donrhem, 15. Jul 2003 10:59 | ||
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| Shorn, I don't play Pot Limit just Ring and NL games. I would fold. He raised pre-flop, called your flop bet (set?) and mabye was trying to trap you on the turn like you said. Have you played with the person before? What is the table image and YOUR image at the table? Would he play/raise on ATs/os? Don | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, shorn, 15. Jul 2003 11:08 | ||
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| I hadn't seen this particular player before Saturday night, but had watched him play for a few hours. He was a generally tight player who would raise a larger amount pre-flop with a really good hand. My image was tight aggressive; when I had a hand, I would bet the pot. This was the type of game though where there was a lot of limping pre-flop and subsequent folding to pot sized bets on the flop. I put him on a range of hands and tried to eliminate them: AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, 99, 44, Axs. I eliminated AK because he would have raised a large amount pre-flop to limit the field. AQ-AT were possible playing/raising hands for him, although i don't think he would have raises with AT preflop, so I discounted two pair. He alos wouldn't have raised with 44 pre-flop for fear of getting forced off the hand. 99 was also a definite possibility and so was Axs which he might raise for value preflop. AA and KK were unlikely as I had seen him raise pot with similar hands ealrier in the night. QQ maybe, but not likely to call a pot sized bet on the flop. Of those hands, the most likely were AQ, AJ, Axs, and 99. | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, Snorbolus, 15. Jul 2003 12:31 | ||
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| This is a horribly difficult decision. I don't think that I would call, although his pot bet on the river was to be expected after you checked the turn. Nevertheless, unless I had seen this player make a play for the pot like this before, holding less than top pair, then I think folding is the prudent choice. Snorbolus on 15. Jul 2003 11:08 shorn wrote: > I hadn't seen this particular player before Saturday night, but had watched him play for a > few hours. He was a generally tight player who would raise a larger amount pre-flop with > a really good hand. My image was tight aggressive; when I had a hand, I would bet the > pot. This was the type of game though where there was a lot of limping pre-flop and > subsequent folding to pot sized bets on the flop. > > I put him on a range of hands and tried to eliminate them: AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, > 99, 44, Axs. I eliminated AK because he would have raised a large amount pre-flop to > limit the field. AQ-AT were possible playing/raising hands for him, although i don't > think he would have raises with AT preflop, so I discounted two pair. He alos wouldn't > have raised with 44 pre-flop for fear of getting forced off the hand. 99 was also a > definite possibility and so was Axs which he might raise for value preflop. AA and KK > were unlikely as I had seen him raise pot with similar hands ealrier in the night. QQ > maybe, but not likely to call a pot sized bet on the flop. > > Of those hands, the most likely were AQ, AJ, Axs, and 99. | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, Snorbolus, 16. Jul 2003 15:20 | ||
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| Hey Shorn, Have you cross posted this question on 2+2 or even (God forbid), RGP? I ask because I am not the least bit sure that my reply is especially good advice. I was hoping to see some other opinions. What did you do in end? How did the hand turn out? Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, shorn, 17. Jul 2003 04:37 | ||
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| Snorb- I haven't cross posted it...this is the only forum that I read/contribute too. Your advice turned out to be correct, although stupidly, I didn't follow it. I called the $200 and he showed down AQ outkicking me. After a lot of thinking about it, I think my best options (in order) were: fold, raise, call. And as often happens late into a session, I chose the worst of the three. Thanks for your input though. Steve | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, Snorbolus, 17. Jul 2003 05:55 | ||
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| Steve, Again I am far from sure, but my feeling is that this would not have been a good spot to raise on the river. At least not based on the information you have posted in this thread. I think that if you were planning to call the river then you might have been better off betting the turn instead; with the intention of checking behind on the river. I think that you could safely fold to a check-raise on the turn or to a flat call followed by a big bet on the river. Betting the turn would keep the pressure on, not show weakness by checking, give your opponent an extra chance to fold and cost you the same amount as checking the turn then calling on the river. Nevertheless, that is not a play I would make very often. Checking behind on the turn then folding to a pot bet on the river is much more likely what I would have done. Snorbolus on 17. Jul 2003 04:37 shorn wrote: > Snorb- > > I haven't cross posted it...this is the only forum that I read/contribute too. > > Your advice turned out to be correct, although stupidly, I didn't follow it. I called the $200 and he > showed down AQ outkicking me. After a lot of thinking about it, I think my best options (in order) were: > fold, raise, call. And as often happens late into a session, I chose the worst of the three. > > Thanks for your input though. > > Steve | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, shorn, 17. Jul 2003 06:04 | ||
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| Snor- Ypou are absolutely right. If I was going to call the river, it would have been better for me to bet the turn and either fold to a checkraise or hopefully get the guy with AQ to fold (not likely, but you never know). It would have cost me the same amount of $$, but given me a chance at the pot that I didn't get by checking. Thanks for your input. I am still learning PL and find myself to be a little more gunshy than middle limit games. Steve | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, stdioh, 15. Jul 2003 11:48 | ||
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| How is this "not quite poker"? :) | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, shorn, 15. Jul 2003 11:56 | ||
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| Must have opened a "Not Quite Poker" post to get to the "New Message" Tab. Sorry... | ||
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| Re: Pot Limit Scenario, stdioh, 16. Jul 2003 10:49 | ||
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| Yeah, you'd better be sorry after crudding up not quite poker with your poker talk ;P | ||
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